I had this very wierd dream last night, it could take forever to describe, but the basics are seeing the BoB Lanc fly over with Sally B’s single tail fin, and it made me think, what are the advantages and disadvantages of either a twin tail or large fin.
Avro obviously went for the twin tail, so did Handley Page and Consolidated with the Lib, Vickers, Boeing and Shorts didn’t. So what were the advantages of either, it being noticeable that Consolidated went for a large single tail on the Privateer in the end. I would have thought that a twin tail was more complicated to operate and more prone to damage in action, any thoughts on this from you ultra mechanical types.
This point hasn’t been brought up on the previous posts—— The B17 came out in 1935, after being in service for several years it was followed by the B24. The designers of the 24s took into account the features of the 17 and tried to improve on them. Therefore the B24 had a longer range, could carry a bigger bomb load and was able to fly faster, perhaps the twin tails played a part. However, some of the deficiencies were that they didn’t take into account was that it could’nt fly combat at B17’s altitude, could’nt keep in as tight formation as 17’s and most importantly couldn’t take the punishment that the 17 took
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The B17 and B24 left my area last Sunday after a weeks visit. Again I was out each day acting as a docent. This time it was a little special because I had my lady friend along on Sunday, to see the planes take off. I induced her to go into the B17. She wouldn’t climb the ladder in front, so she and I went in the exit door, she was awestruck. However she wouldn’t cross the bomb bay, with the doors open. I had a rough time getting in and out, and moving around inside, with my creaking bones. I kept thinking how I used to run through the the bomb bay, also it brought back memories of the extreme cold while flying above 20M feet.
If any of you UK people get to the US and are anywhere near Savannah, Georgia ,be sure to viisit the 8th AF museum, lt is one of the best. It takes you on a mission, you hear the radio chatter, the room gets a cold wind blowing and you hear the baombardier call out “bombs away”
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The Collings B17 and B24 are presently at my local airport on their annual tour.
I have acted as a docent since they started touring in Florida. Many times I’ve spoken to people as they exited the plane after landing, I asked how they enjoyed the experiece, they all said that it was just the greatest. Not one complaint in all the years that I questioned the people.
Gee Dee’s post gave a pretty good description of his experience.
Just a comment on Gee Dee’s Post—-When I was flying we just ran through the bomb bay, also at 20000 to 28000 feet we had tempratures of —50 to -60 F ,with no heat and open waist windows.
Happy new year to you Jules – glad to hear that all your systems are on the road to recovery.
I hope the Collings foundation has sorted out its permits by now – Its a great way of funding these aircraft to fly and therefore educates the young of today into what it was all about!
It would be great to allow B17 passenger flights in the UK but the costs of certification would, I expect, outway all the benefits – Also your gas is a lot cheaper than ours!
I had the pleasure of seeing the Collings duo a few years back and last Feb I got to meet some B17 vets who were docents on B17 Miss Angela at Palmsprings. Great stuff!
I had a flight on a B17 a few years back in the UK and I was amazed at how close all the US bases were (we flew over many 8th Airforce bases). On large bombing missions I expect there was an amazing amount of pilot overload just trying to avoid other aircraft in the form ups – let alone the rest of the trip?
The Collings B17, B24 and B25 will be at 2 local airports next week, on their annual circuit. I’ll be at the B17 acting as a docent, as I’ve done for the last approx 18 years.
I’m glad that I didn’t have the problem that the UK pilot’s had in forming up to go on missions. I know that there were many accidents.
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I’m sorry getting back to you this late, but I can’t help you. During my tour I passed over Yogoslavia many times, but I have no answers for you.
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Can anyone please tell me where I can find details of the Frecci Tricolori displays in Italy in 2007?
Rieley.
During 2004 I was invited to Italy by the Reggio Emilia histoical society as a guest (I bombed the city in Jan 1944, our B 17’s destroyed a German aircraft factory). Among the sites I visited was a lovely building wherein the Italian flag was born. If this answers your question, you can get further info from Dr. Storchi the city’s archivist.
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Can anyone please tell me where I can find details of the Frecci Tricolori displays in Italy in 2007?
I assume that you are referring to the Italian flag, In 2004 I was invited to Reggio Emilia, Italy. The Historical Society invited me since I was a B17 pilot who bombed their city in Jan 1944. They were celebrating the 60th anniversary of the bombing, we destroyed a German Aircraft factory. Among the sights that I was taken to was a beautiful buildimg where the Italian flag originated. If you contact Dr. Storchi, who is the city’s archivist, I’m sure that he can help you.
Italian Flag
Can anyone please tell me where I can find details of the Frecci Tricolori displays in Italy in 2007?
I assume that you are referring to the Italian flag, In 2004 I was invited to Reggio Emilia, Italy. The Historical Society invited me since I was a B17 pilot who bombed their city in Jan 1944. They were celebrating the 60th anniversary of the bombing, we destroyed a German Aircraft factory. Among the sights that I was taken to was a beautiful buildimg where the Italian flag originated. If you contact Dr. Storchi, who is the city’s archivist, I’m sure that he can help you.
Italian Flag
Can anyone please tell me where I can find details of the Frecci Tricolori displays in Italy in 2007?
I assume that you are referring to the Italian flag, In 2004 I was invited to Reggio Emilia, Italy. The Historical Society invited me since I was a B17 pilot who bombed their city in Jan 1944. They were celebrating the 60th anniversary of the bombing, we destroyed a German Aircraft factory. Among the sights that I was taken to was a beautiful buildimg where the Italian flag originated. If you contact Dr. Storchi, who is the city’s archivist, I’m sure that he can help you.
Great story skipper and a great question too,in the stress of combat rituals must have been very common.
dave
I recall heing told by the waist gunners that if they had need for a BM, they would use the box that contained the 50 cal ammo, which was about 5”X26″.
It was generally opened with pliers since it had a metal liner adjacent to the wooden sides. Trying to do your “thing” into a moving, narrow wooden box with jagged metal was quite a feat. I wonder if anyone put in for a Purple Heart for using the ammo box.
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Linrey
My crew got credit for shooting down 6 enemy planes. Ball gunner got credit for 2
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This is the only way that I can update my thread. It’s been awhile since I posted
This past August I had heavy surgery, I also had a staph infection and was told that my recuperation will take about a year. I’m happy to say that it is behind me now.
Several weeks ago I had to have a system recovery, I ran out of disk space, eveything was wiped out. Now my computer is pretty clean.
The Collings WW2 bombers will be in my area Feb 5 to 11, I’m looking forward to acting as a docent once again.
Now you can fire away with questions , that I might be able to answer.
In closing I want to wish you all a Happy and Healthy New Year
For your information — The Collings foundation makes an annual circuit around the U.S. with a B17, B24 and a B25. walk throughs and rides are available
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Thanks people for your good wishes.
Now that I’m rid of a nasty aneurism I’m well on the road to recovery after getting over a bad infection.
Sorry Jules, I meant to be interested in your post but I was taken aback badly by the one above!
Did you ever get to fly an A-20, or was it strictly 4-engines from then on? And what was it made you want to fly them?
Adrian
Adrian’
No, I never flew in A20. My superiors assigned me to 4 engine, because of shortage of 4 engine pilots. I remained in B17 and flew 50 combat sorties in them.