Hi Peter,
We have tried this in the past, but usually we just don’t get a reply, I am going to try again soon and see if I can get a response. We would pay for the transport and they need to pay to get rid of it usually, so surely its a win-win situation for them and we get lots of fuel!
Ollie
Nice pictures of the Jet there!
We last painted Lindy in May 2006, still looks like new though, mostly due to a good monthly wash and scrub up! Thanks for the kind comments, its nice to see pictures of her taken by people, its often more triangular stuff that has its picture taken!!
We should be doing another high speed taxi run in August, however we need to find somebody to sponsor us some fuel. We currently have enough on board to keep all the tanks wet and do another high speed run with the fuel that is in the bomb bay tanks, but some more would be nice.
Although we can move fuel around the aircraft to suit we don’t want to lower the level any more so we dont run any of the tanks dry. As for the getting the fuel, as long as its not contaminated, we aint bothered where its come from!!
Ollie
Im here to help;)
By the way its 231, not 321 🙂
I think my knuckles can vouch that it aint no easier on the skin! I don’t think its quite as bad as the lightning but she can still bite you when she wants. Especially when some engineer many moons ago when she was in service does some locking wire and doesnt fold the end over. Fast forward 10 years to 2004 when we are changing the APU, and that locking wire goes straight up under the fingernail…ouch!
Always fold over your locking wire!!
Thanks for the kind comments 320psi, we must come down and see your two some day.
I believe that even if the work was financially viable (we struggle as it is), we would still not be able to fly for a few reasons. Firstly the CAA would have to say yes. Then BAE Systems would have to give the go ahead as they own the Design Authority for the aircraft, we would also have to get marshals or another similar company to provide the engineering advice. These three could be possible with enough money, the next hurdle however isnt. Rolls Royce most probably would not support the mark of Conway that is in the Victor (CO17). It is different to the ones in VC10’s and aside from this, we don’t have any spare engines. Additionally we don’t know the location of any boxed zero timed conways, or indeed any other victor conways, short of nicking them from 715, and I don’t think the lads at Bruntingthorpe would be too happy with that!
Its a bleak outlook for flying the old girl, and it is a shame, however I think you can agree what we do is the next best thing. 🙂
Ollie
Absolutely. Apart from her being out of fatigue life, there would be nothing to stop us pulling back the stick and flying her somewhere. Apart from the jail term when we landed that is. We maintain her to an airworthy standard, because that is the best way to preserve the systems and the aircraft, in addition to providing that extra safety margin. We don’t treat the runs as taxi runs, they are, in essence aborted take-offs.
As Lindys lad says 231 did indeed operate out in the Gulf during the first war. Victors flew every single sortie they were assigned to with no unservicabilites.
133kts is still below the rotate speed for the weight that 231 is currently at, hence the nose down trim and the copilot holding the thing on the ground. That way she cannot possibly become airborne.
Ollie
April 2008 run, From inside the cockpit
Thanks for that, would be interesting to see. We actually have very few of her actually landing. She was in a right state though, she hadnt been looked after very well in her last few months of service.
Anyway, I have just got the photos back from our last run on April 5th from inside the cockpit and some from out on the airfield just before the run.


Some external shots out on the airfield



Some internal shots under ground power

Pre-start checks underway

Slowing down after first “slow!” run. Airspeed just coming back through 75kts. Note the VSI dipping due to braking.

Max Chat on the “Fast” run. Just coming through 85Kts

Top Speed on fast run, chute has just been streamed, airbrakes open and flaps to land.

A View of the AEO Al Stephenson working his magic just before shutdown.
Hope you like the pictures, I know the public doesnt often get to see views from the inside.
Ollie
No problems, I can’t remember the final crew offhand, I wasnt involved at the time, but I know someone who does! I will get back to you. The victor did indeed get stuck when it was towed into the museum site, it doesnt happen these days!
Do you have any pictures of her flying in that you could post?
Ollie
You are quite correct Robert, 1 is indeed the plenum chamber! The team is going down tommorrow and Friday so I will get some pictures of what we are doing now.
Cheers
Ollie
If i remember correctly jon “jordie Jim”! of ex 231 fame many many moons ago got the apu on 319 running off a beer keg full of fuel that he mounted above the engine as the RAF kindly sliced the fuel delivery pipes from the tanks…..I wonder if the keg of mystery is still there!
Have found a great picture of the run last week on airliners.net its one of the sharpest pictures of lindy I have seen!

As there are a few ex-victor types out there thought I would post one or two photos and you can have a crack at guessing where they were taken! For the first one if you can identify the equipment as well you get a gold star!

First one

And another,
I might get some more photos of “the hidden victor” some bits that you don’t usually see, just for general interest.
Dave, I know its a long way, but if you ever want to come and visit, feel free and get the VIP tour!
Ollie
Well the funding comes mainly from the aircraft owner, although we chip in for stuff like fuel for the houchin whenever we can. We operate on a shoestring budget becasue of this however we NEVER comprimise on anything to do with the safe running of the aircraft. We would like to get a sponsor so we can get some more AVTUR fuel, however we are unsure of where to start! As for organisation, there are a core group of 4 or 5 people who turn up every Sunday, there are then 5 or 6 others who come every time they have some time free. There are a constant string of jobs that need doing as a routine, but if something goes wrong we then rally to that problem until it is fixed. Throw in anti-det runs every 28 days and thats how we operate. The experience is much the same as the lightning guys, some ex airforce types with people that have worked on it in preservation for 14 years!
As I mentioned earlier, we do need to find a way to fundraise as we really, really really need a new houchin (Ground Power Unit) preferably a quiet one. 60KvA as well as our one at the moment is only 25KvA so we cannot run the hydraulic pumps without starting the APU as the load on our current houchin is too much! But mostly we just want a quiet GPU and not the howler we have!!
If anyone knows of somebody who wants to donate one, let us know! 🙂
Anymore for Anymore!
Ollie
Updated again!!
Hi Everyone,
Sorry for the long delay between updates, has been a busy few weeks at Cranwell. Much has been happening though.
We have finally sorted out the HDU properly, attatched the basket to the hose and completed the full functionals as stated in the A.P. and it is (for the moment at least!) fully functional! Below are four pictures, one showing the basket installation in the hose, one of the hose fully extended with the signal lights shwoing the correct indications for stand-off at full trail, the second to last picture shows the green lights on for contact. The red lights should be off but some muppet forgot to change the signal switch from stand-off to auto! The last, blurry picture shows the HDU panel with the HDU stowed. I will attempt to get a clearer picture, but its quite hard in the light conditions in the cockpit.




On the 5th of April we carried out a full engine test/ taxi run for which we required a parachute packing. This is quite a lengthy process, but the results are worth it. A video of the run can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwCxdG-_L5g. The test was completely successfull with all services functioning correctly, the speed of the last run with the chute was….130kts! The captain Wing Commander Barry Neal wasn’t hanging around! Now the run is finished we are going to get down to some heavy engineering, all the brake lines are being replaced, the undercarriage doors are coming off to be blasted and repainted and the undercarriage is being repainted. I will keep you updated on the progress.
Below are some photos of the chute packing at RAF Church Fenton:

The parachute was first hung for a day just to give it an airing. We have 3 parachutes, including a brand new one, but its best to keep them all in good nick!




Next the parachute was layed out on the swept hangar floor and the lines were sorted and bunched as per the parachute packing A.P

After the lines are sorted the parachute is folded into a series of S bends and inserted into the parachute bag, here the chute is half packed. You can also see the extractor drouge at the top of the picture.

And fully packed!

Next a mouthlock using the parachute lines is formed at the base of the parachute.

And the lines are pulled through the chute bag in four sets. Two from each set of lines. All that needs to be done is pack the extractor drouge.

Parachute fully packed! Now the chute just needs to be put in the aircraft.
Hope you like the pics, I will take some more of the work that is going on today and post them up later on.
Any comments please feel free to post,
Cheers
Ollie
Engine Run Sunday 16th March
Hi Everyone
We will be doing a full engine run and functionals check on the 16th of March thats this sunday!
Come along and see Lindy generate some noise!
I have lots of photos of the HDU progress which I will post this weekend, but if you come down you can see it yourself. All the snags are sorted now and it all tests out ok, which is good for a HDU! They are very unreliable usually.
Hope to see you there, the run will probably take place between 1300 and 1400.
Ollie