You would actually go that far to see it then Andy?
No, probably not, I might just pull the blinds back in the roof of the conservatory and watch from there.
Well I’m interested where some of you optimists get your crowd figures from but I’d estimate that 99% of the British public at large don’t give a monkey’s toss whether a Vulcan flies again or if they’re all reduced to scrap.
I’d go further and say if gate prices were pushed up to the extent that was needed to make the sums add up on a Vulcan display, you’d actually see gate numbers drop.
Airshows are already close to the tolerable maximum that many families can afford and another hike would drive many away for good.
It really isn’t the enthusiastic minority that keep airshows going, it’s the normal family punter who’s wife would prefer an afternoon at Ikea anyway and the kids are only half interested.
If you don’t believe me, next time you’re at an airshow take a walk around about half way through the flying and see what types make-up the crowd.
As far as where I’d like to see the Vulcan display first.
Well it obvious innit?
Dunstable downs gliding club–then I don’t have to be *rsed to go and see it.
Well apart from onto the patio that is.
Andy
Andy, if we installed an upper wing to one of the many preserved Concordes and liberally doused it in castor oil, do you think you could find a place in your heart for it?
Sadly no Robbo.
If you melted it down and turned it into 97,347 aluminium egg poachers (like the one your Gran had) I’d still be doubtful as to it’s validity.
If I can be *rsed to live that long (sometimes doubtful on a Tuesday) I’m confident that in about twenty years time, on some yet to be invented communication medium, there will be a debate on some aviation forum about why the scrapmen have just moved in to cut up this Concoirde or that.
A bit like the various Vulcan sagas we witness at the present.
Andy
Of course not, you should no better than that………paraffin burners arn’t welcome at Legends 😉
Yeah sorry I forgot.
I’m told it’ll land on the grass at Old Warden though… 🙂 😉 🙂
I think you are all being a little bit self-opinionated in your comments here.
Save Concorde Group are by no means a pie-in-the-sky campaign. If any of you care to investigate what these guys are up to you – you will see that they have accredited current and ex-BA Concorde engineers working with them in the various things they are doing. Their main objective is a Return to Flight, which when the ex and current BA people thing it can happen, then I think they would know.
Oh good, I can’t wait.
Will it be at Legends??
There’s a simple answer to this seemingly endless question.
A large shed load of ali-scrap–that’s the answer.
Oh, and a fine selection of data plates.
The subject of the contents of those blasted sheds must be the most tedious subject in vintage aviation.
Andy
A nice inexpensive idea.
Buuuuuut…..
Those dinky little skids were designed for a vertical landing on a U Boat at speed.
I cant imagine anyone wanting to operate it from a moving truck……..?!
Anybody got Brendan O Brien’s phone number??
Hairy
Just tell him it’s like a Piper Cub and he’ll probably have a go.
Can anyone point me to a publication that might have a list (and, possibly, details) of World War 1 Aircraft Acceptance Parks?
thanks, Roger Smith.
Roger,
I think you might find some of what you want in ‘The War In The Air’.
The official history of the part played by the RAF in The Great War.
by
H.A. Jones and Walter Raleigh.
There are seven volumes of it but they are available through The Naval and Military Press.
This gives all sorts of detail about things like aircraft parks, brigades and wings.
As well as a mine of other details.
Hope this helps (a bit).
Andy
What a helpful informative post.I have learnt that the CR.42 will now have four wings.
The finished ones built in italy and in store at TFC and a new second set that have been restored in America.This will look very interesting.
Just out of interest who rebuilt the upper two wings in the USA?
Or was it the lower two?
Or the top one and second one up?
Digby and BWB
you should both know by now that we’re talking here about the slightly less well known SEAT Cr.42.
A rare Spanish Quadriplane.
The wings were rebuilt in Mexico by Don Juan San Miguel el Codobes, that famous quadriplane restorer from down south of the border.
Now we’ve resolved that little issue you can both return to a more peaceful place and take the p*ssout of M*gdrop.
If this famous quadriplane is available for Legends this year I might haul my *rse out of bed and drive the 45 minutes to Duxford to witness the event, then again I probably won’t bother.
Love you all.
Andy
Wasn’t the replica at Hendon a flyer too? It’s easy to forget it, the doors of the Grahame-White Factory are rarely open for you to be able to see it.
Indeed it was a flyable replica, and it was flown before it was retired to the dark recesses of the never to be opened GW building.
As was I hasten to add the Vickers FB5 and the Caudron and the lovely Vimy.
I would also add that after my visit to Hendon yesterday I intend to wage war on the current management there with whatever means I have at my disposal until they either go or the place improves!!!
Not a happy camper.
Andy
Andy – In all fairness it would be interesting to know what the cross section of visitors to Shuttleworth consists of. There is luckily for a Shuttlworth a broad overlap of people who love vintage cars and like aircraft and vice versa. How you encourage the
all important repeat visits I don’t know but I guess the overall package is the appeal to some. As for the decisions in years past – indeed there have been a few disposals which take some explaining – however sadly the type I miss possibly most is the dear old Dragon Rapide lost with Peter Treadaway at North Weald.
Sadly again Dave I don’t think the Rapide was owned by Shuttleworth.
I’ll check out ownership later.
Peter Treadaway was a nice guy too.
I remember him letting me have a good look round his N3N at Clacton once–even after I mistakenly referred to it as a Stearman… 😮 😮
I was younger then.
Andy
Andy – Problem with that theory is that the collection sold it’s original Piston Provost and Chipmunk in the 1980’s because they were deemed of little appeal. I don’t imagine buying replacements for them resulted in huge increases at the gate ! However the collection does indeed have to attract the public but how many of those are attracted by the Spitfire/Hurricane or the overall package. There is undoubtedly a difficult balancing act to be made but if you explore the aircraft that Richard Shuttleworth
preserved he made quite bold decisions to preserve aircraft that were not exactly in many cases hugely good but interesting from a technical viewpoint.
David,
yes but Richard shuttleworth was preserving the collection for his own delectation and he was also extremely wealthy. I doubt he ever had any plans to open the place as an aviation museum.
I do agree that it appears somewhat hasty the way the original Chipmunk and Provost were sold off by previous managements at Old Warden but, I’d argue that neither of them still have much appeal to the masses.
I personally find the Provost (both jet and piston varieties) a somewhat underwhelming type to watch although I do accept their significance.
From observation I’d say over half the punters are attracted by the ‘bigger’ types at Old Warden, sad but true.
By that I mean Spitfire, Hurricane, Lysander, Hind and Gladiator.
There were several occasions last year when the place emptied after the Spitfire but before the Edwardians could be prepared.
These people miss out on much in my ‘onest, but there you are.
Andy
And as a long time visitor at Old Warden.
It’s all very well having a nice collection of very rare aircraft but if they don’t interest the public, they don’t come and pay their hard earned shekels on show days and eventually the collection dies.
Perhaps you’d prefer that???
The Hornet Moth while being an aircraft that many enthusiasts liked to see around wasn’t a big hit among the general public and it’s all about bums on seats.
You’ve only got to stand at OW and see how many people leave immediately after the Spitfire to work that one out.
Andy.
The mini- skirt (and it’s contents)–far more interesting than any machine.
A.
That was the point I was trying to make, hence my previous comment. Obviously it wasn’t a point made well enough.
Ian, I had got your point but I was irritated by other people’s attitude.