Yep must be another of Andy’s Norfolk colloquialisms! 😀
No that’s pure Bedfordshire. I heard it from an old boy who did some plumbing on my house about ten years ago.
I liked it enough to use it myself.
Speaking of Norfolk and Norwich (a very fine city) the second best novel about The Great War, ‘The Spanish Farm’ was written by RH Mottram, himself a Norwich man.
So, everyone here should read a) Winged Victory by Victor Yeates and b) The Spanish Farm by R.H. Mottram.
I’ve concluded that if I bang on about The Great War for long enough eventually I might convert one person.
Later
Andy
Andy,
I’m glad you didn’t think “Journey’s End” was clart – R.C. Sherriff was in the trenches in WW1 – Captain in the 9th East Surrey Regiment 1915-1918. He was wounded at Passchendaele [Wikipedia]. The ‘modernist’ bit may be artistic comment but in temporal terms the play was written in 1928 and first performed in 1929.
I remember a dramatisation of the play starring Edward Petherbridge (among others) on the BBC in 1988 (and I’ve still got a video of it somewhere) but IMDB doesn’t list a film apart from a 1918 (??) and the 1930 versions directed by James Whale (who directed Laurence Olivier (yes, him) in the first stage production) – not that *that* matters in this context.
R/K
Kansan,
No I certainly don’t think ‘Journeys End’ is clart.
By modernist I really mean that the ‘slant’ is one of disillusionment at the futility of war. A feeling that authors/playwrights often developed in the post war period.
Another good example of this is the character of Seddon in V.M. Yeates’ ‘Winged Victory’. I think many returnees from the trenches felt that the post war World was a serious let-down, so much so that a certain corporal in Germany got involved with extreme politics and we know what happened there.
A book that explores this idea in some detail is ‘The Flower of Battle’ by Hugh Cecil.
The film of Journeys End was I think made in the 1960’s. I can see the actors face who played the lead in my minds eye but can’t think of his name (don’t you hate it when that happens).
It makes a change to have a Great War thread running on here.
Cheers
Andy
Have never seen the movie, so can’t speak for the plot. However there was a big commitment to shooting good flying sequences out in Ireland, tragically it claimed Charles Boddington’s life in one of the SE-5As
I’m sure The Blue Max will contribute to this thread from a number of pics in his family archive.
Meanwhile let’s all hope that the screenplay for ‘Flyboys’ which has just finished filming at Halton and Breighton among other locations, lives up to the sight of the aircraft while they were ‘over here’.
Yes, as I recall the scenery was lovely. Not a trench or shelled out village in sight.
The one factor that the writings of the time always come back to is the ever present ‘lines of trenches’.
I have my doubts about the new film also.
An alternative title I’m reliably informed might be ‘How us Americans helped you win WW1’.
Strangely enough I sat next to an American at dinner yesterday who claimed exactly the same thing.
Cheers
Andy
What’s wrong with Aces High? The Blue Max? Hell’s Angels?
Or do you mean a “modern” film?
The Blue Max = Total Clart.
Aces High = Modernist Clart
Hell’s Angels = Ancient Clart
Dawn Patrol = Almost Clart
Wings 1927 = Silent Clart
Can anyone think of any others?
All the above are the equivalent of the 1920’s pulp novels on aviation–except Aces High which is a re-hash of ‘Journeys End’ by R.C. Sheriff, which itself was a modernist play about an infantry officer on the eve of the great German assault of March 21st 1918.
There was film of it too.
Well, it was worth a go! :rolleyes:
Well, to be fair.
The question this thread does beg is when is a half decent film going to be made about Great War aviation?
Oh to see something decent made about that conflict.
Cheers
Andy
Has anyone got a copy of this film that I might be able to acquire?
I know it has dubious accuracy, among other things, but I’ve been dying to see it for ages!
If this is the film I think you’re talking about, I would say ‘dubious historical accuracy’ must be the greatest understatement used in the history of this forum.
This film is utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter crap.
It’s an insult to the pilots, ground crew and anyone else who served on either side during The Great War.
You won’t find a copy because they were all destroyed years ago on the grounds of taste.
Ask Melv about the likelyhood of being able to have a sh*g on the fuselage of a Fokker Triplane.
Although knowing Hiscock as I do he’s probably tried!
Its that time again, so what are you guys up to this weekend??
I am off to Kemble for a Fly-in if the weather is good :rolleyes: 😀 Anna
I thought you’d get to OW.
🙂 😉 🙂
Its that time again, so what are you guys up to this weekend??
I am off to Kemble for a Fly-in if the weather is good :rolleyes: 😀 Anna
I thought you’d get to OW.
🙂 😉 🙂
I’m not British 😡
I’m from Liverpool.
Moggy
Well, I suppose somebody has to be…
East Anglia !!!!! Don’t they eat babies and sleep with their sisters in East Anglia ?
Simple mistake to make mate, you obviously confused East Anglia with the Channel Islands!!!
East Anglia !!!!! Don’t they eat babies and sleep with their sisters in East Anglia ?
Simple mistake to make mate, you obviously confused East Anglia with the Channel Islands!!!
I am sure the East Anglian tourist board will be proud of you Andy, a huge forum influx hits EA. 😀 😀
Half the forum membership lives there already. 🙂 😉 🙂
I am sure the East Anglian tourist board will be proud of you Andy, a huge forum influx hits EA. 😀 😀
Half the forum membership lives there already. 🙂 😉 🙂
I will lookout for that next time I am in the area 😉 Anna 😀
Look on the left, near the Tea Rooms.
I will lookout for that next time I am in the area 😉 Anna 😀
Look on the left, near the Tea Rooms.