“Fighter” is one of the many hundreds of books that are somewhere in the house with nowhere near enough shelves. I haven’t read it for some years now but I doubt AJP Taylor agreed to write the foreword without reading it first.Generally, I have a high opinion of AiB’s views and knowledge but not this time.
It’s looking like you could be in a minority Andy.
Although factually based, I’m always sorry that “Bomber” is a novel. I think it would have been better as a companion to “Fighter”, especially as the titles infer similarity.
I like his novels too.
DH Fan
I’m sorry you don’t agree, however I will put my money where my mouth is and re-read the book. I will also report back here and as Mr JDK stated I will be honest.
As I said I read this book long ago so I might be wrong.
If I am wrong I’ll be big enough to say.
Watch this space as they say.
If Damien brings it Sunday I’ll make a start Monday in my lunch hour.
Cheers
Andy
Whereabouts in SE9? It’s not far from me.
Geoff.
Hi Geoff,
I hoped you’d chime in about here.
The address is 569 Sidcup Road, Mottingham SE9.
Cheers
Andy
Great Pictures, thanks
Andy
Je comprend Andy – it seemed to turn when the forum came back up (after going down, odd that) – the entrenched positions are digging in and skins are thinning – 1000 looks never, never land pour moi.
And yes, I daresay I will live to be reminded of this remark.
Gnome
I’m afraid you’ve got to stay.
Seeing as you’re one of the culprits who’s put me up to putting pen to paper (or digit to keyboard) about Mr Deighton, it would be rude to depart before I present my work!!!! 😉 😉 😉
So stay around and keep posting.
Later
A…
Actually Andy, she’s an Essex girl.
I stand corrected Michael.
I assumed (never a good thing–JDK told me that) that because she lives close to Duxford she was a resident of Cambridgeshire.
And no Rob my thousanth post will be on a positive subject although with the rapidly growing feeling of disillusionment I have with this forum I did consider commiting forum suicide and saying what I thought to a number of people here and then flouncing out.
Sadly though Daz beat me to it. 🙂 🙂 😉 😉 🙂 🙂
So I shall just have to stay.
Stewart 1A
I don’t think she’s done anything in particular to harm ‘your beloved’ Duxford.
She wrote some rather ill informed pieces in her column in the newspaper that’s she is occasionally employed by but I think that’s about all.
It helped to sell the newspaper but that’s about all.
Strange as it may seem to you, being anti-aviation does not breach English law as it currently stands.
(It may be considered somewhat foolish though.)
There Ms Greer is as much entitled to her opinion as are you.
Also ,as she’s a resident of Cambridgeshire she’s actually entitled to more of an opinion than yourself who isn’t a resident of that fine county.
I’d also like to point out in closing that if writing ill informed tosh was a crime, then several members of this forum would be in court after the last few weeks here.
Later
Andy.
Gnome,
does Deighton quote sources for this idea that Churchill encouraged the Germans to bomb England?
Unsubstantiated hearsay doesn’t normally pass muster as historical evidence.
Last year we shredded some poor old boy on here regarding Douglas Bader and unsubstantiated claims.
JDK, what makes Deighton any different from him??
For your information (Gnome, JDK Damien) if I get the book Sunday I shall start reading it in my lunch hour each day from Monday onwards, building whatever case I feel I need to build from there.
Looking forward to it.
Later
A…
I feel sorry for the bloke.
He’s obviously rushed into something without any thought.
Knowing how hard it is to acquire wealth it grieves me to see money wasted.
I just hope he hasn’t been burned too much.
Although sadly I suspect he has.
It’s going to be a very expensive empty vandalised Vulcan nose. It’s such a shame that he didn’t put the money into an achievable aviation project, since this one was a no-hoper from the start.
What a terrible waste of hope, dreams, expectations and cash.
Rob
Miles Master Mk.I to the skies????? 😉 😉
But seriously Robbo’s right, when one looks around around at some of the really good restoration projects crying out for cash.
This really has been insane.
A very saddened
AiB.
The inevitability of this story is very depressing indeed.
If only people would listen.
Still, it’s what we all expected.
Andy
Yes.
I will bring a copy to OW at the weekend.
Good, see you there.
A.
Hi Andy.
So you’ve not read it.
But you know it’s dubious.
Let me guess. The bloke down the pub told you? 😉
Mark, you’re just jealous because ‘Zimmer’ is longer than ‘Mark’…
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Actually wrong James.
I read it a long time ago. About twenty years I would think.
I actually thought it was almost complete ‘clart’.
However at this distance in time I can’t quite remember why I thought that but I remember thinking ‘this is complete b*ll*cks’ while I was reading it.
I’m quite happy to read it again with a more open mind and I’ll put pen to paper on what I find.
Have you read ‘Winged Victory’ by VM Yeates yet?? If not why not?
The difference?
Yeates made truth into fiction, Deighton made fiction into truth.
Send me a copy.
Andy
James/Damien
are you challenging me to read this and post a detailed critique?
if you are I’ll actually enjoy doing it.
Just send me a copy someone and I’ll labour to produce in a few weks.
Andy
I see … well, it was a good summer read. And Bomber is good fiction too! Thanks guys, apologies for sullying the forum 😉
Gnome
don’t apologise, you’ve started an interesting thread.
May I suggest the following:-
‘The Bomber Command War Diaries’ by Martin Middlebrook and Chris Everitt and ‘The Right of the Line’ by John Terraine.
These two books will give you a much more balanced account of what was going on in this period than Deighton ever will.
My own opinion for what it’s worth is that the RAF had no way of effectively stopping the German panzer columns or of strategically bombing Germany.
However, Terraine will explain it all much better than me.
Cheers
Andy
Great Stuff Stieglitz.
I like these pictures very much.
I’m envious (very).
Cheers
Andy