Len Deighton
An author always noted for his absolute regard for historical( 😉 😉 😉 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) accuracy and never letting the truth get in the way of selling copy.
Gnome.
file the book under fiction in your library.
Cheers
Andy
Hi all
I just want to concur with what’s been written above.
A grand day out and I think enjoyed by all.
It was good to meet OAG and Aero51 who made our visit particularly interesting.
I think they’ll agree that all new attendees to forum meets are made very welcome.
I’ll certainly make a return visit to Woodley in due course.
Many thanks to all.
Cheers
Andy
Who the f*ck are these people??
Should I know them–are they relevant??
Hi All,
The USS Arizona sunk on her keel, the USS Oklahoma and USS Utah where the only Battleships to Turn Turtle. The USS Olga also went Turtle.
When I get home from work tonight I will post the Damage of all Ships at Pearl Harbor.
Cheers
RER
The Colonel is correct.
The USS Arizona blew up from a bomb hit on her forward magazine.
The USS Oklahoma rolled over and capsized to the left.
The USS West Virginia sank onto her bottom as did the California (flagship).
The poor old Nevada got under way but was so badly damaged she had to be beached.
The saddest story I ever heard about that day was one I think of three cooks on the West Virginia.
They climbed up into pantry space above the galley where they worked and into an air bublle that was trapped in the hull.
There they sat awaiting rescue for fourteen days in what must have been something close to total darkness until the air ran out and they died.
How does history know it was fourteen days?
Well, they had a calendar and one of them crossed off each day until 21st December.
The bodies were found in 1942 when the Wee Vee was refloated.
Think about that one for a while.
It makes me shiver.
Andy
Anyone care to list all the Trainers that have appeared at Legends?
:rolleyes:
2004,
Six DH Dominies
Or is the plural of Dominie–Dominatrix? 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Perhaps I imagined the whole thing.
Cheers
Andy
not noise its sound a beautiful sound at that!
Think Essex, my boy.
Go east, young man. Go east.
Hi Robbo
My Stirling came through Burma by pack mule component at a time and was floated down river alll the way to Auckland via Sevastopol whereupon Dave and I secretly rebuilt it in his back shed over the past seven years. He naturally denies all of this to maintain his air of nonchalance.
Timex funded us to do this and we are forming the new Timex Bomber Team because of the disappointment that surrounded the disbandment of the Bretling Team.
You will of course have noted the recent rumors concerning the CWH Lanc – well I can confirm that it will be arriving in the UK soon as the second member of our team – sponsored by Durex – Stay safe.
Meanwhile Cees has been furiously taking care of the RAFM Halifax for us over the past few months. It was swapped for a paper mache model when they weren’t looking, as they frequently aren’t.
I shall be team leader and Ralph Cusack is loaning me his shiny new Beaufort for the purpose. I shall arrive soon to commence planning for leg Ends.
I can’t reveal too much about the display except to say a couple of surprises can be announced. The Vulcan is now an associate member and will begin the display with a 2-hour aerobatic display accompanied by the Dead Sparrows and will end by dropping a 5-ton flour bomb on Ms Greers house to the rapturous applause of the crowd. I will then lead in the formation of the Beau, Lanc, Stirling and Halifax and conduct the worlds first low level full aerobatic Heavy Bomber Display – The BBMF Lanc has agreed as a one off to take part with their Lanc and will fly with us as we wow the crowd over Duxford in tight formation….over the Isle if Skye!!
So there my dirty secret is out thanks to Robbo – I feel much better now I have come clean ………………
Yours in the Pub (Don’t you just love wireless laptops)
John
they’ll be no point bringing a civil Stirling to Legends.
It obviously won’t fit in with the warbirds only ‘ethos’ there.
Later
Andy 😉 😉 😉
I think there will be an announcement tomorrow.
Mark
Mark
All that noise and non of our Essex residents heard a thing?????
🙂 🙂 🙂 😉 😉 😉 🙂 🙂 🙂
I wonder what became of the mock-up Kingfisher and the Japanese floatplane (Pete?) on those ships. Were they kept like the flying replicas? Or destroyed?
Dave
strangely enough the Kingfishers were one part where the excellent authenticity of TTT fails a bit.
I think the battlewagons had un-shipped their floatplanes to Ford Island NAS while they were in port.
Certainly Arizona didn’t have her aircraft aboard that Sunday.
She was rigged with a large awning to keep the Sun off her quarter deck that day.
There are other errors but they made more than a good effort and it’s a great film.
Andy
Andy,
Did you ever get the photo that I sent you, of a B17 going down in flames?
e-mail your reply.
Jules
I posted it earlier under the thread you have about the worst position on a B-17.
You’ll find it there.
Cheers
Andy
PS I love the TTT Still Mark 12–it’s a great film.
I think they got the layout of battleship row just right.
The Arizona is very good too.
There’s a scene in the film where two very well dressed naval officers step off a launch and in the background is the USS California and the rest of the battle wagons. You can even see the fleet oiler Neosho moored at 90 degress to the BB’s.
Great continuity.
A real good effort to make the film authentic.
Do you get the impression I love TTT?
That’s also why I get so angry about the other crock of sh*t.
Hi Jules, Hi All
Here’s another picture Jules sent me.
In my opinion, when a fort was under head-on attack the Bombadier and Navigator must have had a pretty interesting view. Especially in the early models with no real forward defence.
What do you think Jules?
Cheers
Andy
Jonathan
not such a good diagram as I remembered it.
However, this is what the naval version of the parachute and cable device looked like.
The numbered parts are:-
1) Layer’s cabinet.
2) Mesh frame around tubes.
3) Door to layer’s cabinet.
At the time of her loss HMS Hood had five such mountings.
one atop B turret and four (two port, two S’board) amidship.
Had Hood survived I doubt they would have survived her next refit.
Cheers
Andy
I should think the Maybach petrol engine of a Mark IV Panzer was about the same economy wise as that motor of yours.
Probably made in the same factory too! 😉 😉
Anywhere near the route that Bridget and I will be taking on our way to La Ferte in May, Melvyn? Sounds as if it could be worth a diversion.
Mike
I’ve been that way many times.
We cross and re-cross Great war battlefields many times on the road to Paris.
If we’ve got time we can get off the motorway and head towards Baupamme and then take the old Roman road to Albert which goes roght across the 1916 Somme battlefield.
I once worked out that every invading army since the English army of Henry V had been that way.
Melv’s right, it’s great tank country.
Later
Andy.
I’m fairly sure they had typos in 1940 folks. Besides, ‘AAA’ as a modern term for the same kit is more anachronistic than it is incorrect, and no more so than, say..”WW2″… 😉
Back on topic, it seems that the chap in question was referring to certain ‘Z’ Gun Batteries (Southsea and Malta strangely enough, as evidenced by his log book) that employed Parachute and Cable (or Parachute Barrage Wire) style ammunition. He made reference to finding such a rocket as a child with wire and parachute inside.
Jonathan
The parachute and cable devices as fitted to HMS Hood were called UP launchers.
I know they were considered useless by the crew.
I have a diagram of one somewhere if you’re interested.
They were still in place in May 1941 when she was so tragically lost with all but three of the crew in the Denmark Strait.
Cheers
Andy