CD.
The only bit of the log I could quote off the top of my head was something like.
‘Arrived Gibralter Date *******
I provisioned the boat for war”.
CD.
There was a fierce terrible amount of coat trailing done in the form of periscope drills done off Buenos Aires and other ports at the time–lots of neutral ships reported sightings…:);):)
The captain of the boat received his reward in the form of a reprimand for ‘poor periscope discipline’ at the time and another reward in taking a brand new boat out on it’s first commssion 18 months later….:);):)
It seems someone was pleased.
CD.
There was a fierce terrible amount of coat trailing done in the form of periscope drills done off Buenos Aires and other ports at the time–lots of neutral ships reported sightings…:);):)
The captain of the boat received his reward in the form of a reprimand for ‘poor periscope discipline’ at the time and another reward in taking a brand new boat out on it’s first commssion 18 months later….:);):)
It seems someone was pleased.
If if was a deterrent, then it did not have a lasting effect, because of course they tried again. In fact by sending only one vessel, mostly underwater, it could be said that it was a sign of weakness and vacilation.
How come that the Argentines knew all about the submarine, but that it was kept secret from our own people? Why would Callaghan hide the fact that there was a threat? Surely if we had known about the extent of the threat, he would have been confident that the British public would be with him on a visible response?
So, weak response and hiding it from the public, sounds typical Callaghan.
Steven
Well only you could call a nuclear hunter-killer submarine weak–have you no idea of how high a perceived threat one of those is?
Why do you think the Belgrano was sunk–the Argentinian navy were terrified of them and that was a ratcheting up of a threat. You obviously don’t understand that fleets in being offer a greater threat than fleets in action.
I might suggest you read the thoughts of Alfred Thayer Mahan, who although long dead, provides much strategic thinking for navies still.
And the British public did know, it was in the papers at the time.
It was a measured threat–instead of talking cr*p, why don’t you contact me by PM and I’ll arrange a visit to Bedfordshire so you can see for yourself.
Actually there’s no need, the documents have been in the public domain since 2005.
Operation Journeyman even has it’s Wiki page.
If if was a deterrent, then it did not have a lasting effect, because of course they tried again. In fact by sending only one vessel, mostly underwater, it could be said that it was a sign of weakness and vacilation.
How come that the Argentines knew all about the submarine, but that it was kept secret from our own people? Why would Callaghan hide the fact that there was a threat? Surely if we had known about the extent of the threat, he would have been confident that the British public would be with him on a visible response?
So, weak response and hiding it from the public, sounds typical Callaghan.
Steven
Well only you could call a nuclear hunter-killer submarine weak–have you no idea of how high a perceived threat one of those is?
Why do you think the Belgrano was sunk–the Argentinian navy were terrified of them and that was a ratcheting up of a threat. You obviously don’t understand that fleets in being offer a greater threat than fleets in action.
I might suggest you read the thoughts of Alfred Thayer Mahan, who although long dead, provides much strategic thinking for navies still.
And the British public did know, it was in the papers at the time.
It was a measured threat–instead of talking cr*p, why don’t you contact me by PM and I’ll arrange a visit to Bedfordshire so you can see for yourself.
Actually there’s no need, the documents have been in the public domain since 2005.
Operation Journeyman even has it’s Wiki page.
I wonder if the Argentines learned anything from Operation Journeyman in 1977? :rolleyes:
Well they should have done but obviously didn’t.
So, assuming there was ‘plenty of warning’ why would Thatcher have ignored these warnings?
Because getting a British protectorate invaded by a military dictatorship isn’t usually considered the best way impress the voters.
As I’ve said on here until I’m nearly distracted, please read this book.
It explains quite a lot.
I wonder if the Argentines learned anything from Operation Journeyman in 1977? :rolleyes:
Well they should have done but obviously didn’t.
So, assuming there was ‘plenty of warning’ why would Thatcher have ignored these warnings?
Because getting a British protectorate invaded by a military dictatorship isn’t usually considered the best way impress the voters.
As I’ve said on here until I’m nearly distracted, please read this book.
It explains quite a lot.
. But I do know that he should have one. Conviction, that is.
I agree with that.
I can’t see anyone nabbing him soon though–can you..??
. But I do know that he should have one. Conviction, that is.
I agree with that.
I can’t see anyone nabbing him soon though–can you..??
Steven.
I can say beyond doubt that a single nuclear submarine did it.
My closest friend is the son of the late skipper of the boat, and his family has allowed me privately to read his log.
I’m unwilling to share what I’ve read publicly, simply because the documents are not mine to share, but if you’re really interested, I’d happily introduce my friend to you and you could discuss the matter with him.
How the effect was achieved is straight out of a boy’s own story and in the true tradition of the Royal Navy. Of course, this was before an invasion force actually made landings.
Andy
Steven.
I can say beyond doubt that a single nuclear submarine did it.
My closest friend is the son of the late skipper of the boat, and his family has allowed me privately to read his log.
I’m unwilling to share what I’ve read publicly, simply because the documents are not mine to share, but if you’re really interested, I’d happily introduce my friend to you and you could discuss the matter with him.
How the effect was achieved is straight out of a boy’s own story and in the true tradition of the Royal Navy. Of course, this was before an invasion force actually made landings.
Andy
See, even he had an angle..!!:)
See, even he had an angle..!!:)
Andy – don’t patronise me it doesn’t suit you. But it is difficult for old cynics like you to accept that not every politician is in it for themselves.
Margaret Thatcher never was but you will never be convinced otherwise.
Don’t write nonsense then and I won’t have to.
Where is your proof to back up your bold statement.
Everyone has self interest Charlie–you, me, my 85 year old Mother, Margaret Thatcher and Mother Theresa it’s how you get by in life.
Dennis was a millionaire, I don’t care if he was, good luck to him, but self interest achieved that goal. The same as anyone else who ever turned a Pound.
You don’t get to lead any organisation without it–least of all a serious political party.
Only Jesus Christ was supposedly without it–and you don’t believe in him.
You’ve stated it here.
Andy – don’t patronise me it doesn’t suit you. But it is difficult for old cynics like you to accept that not every politician is in it for themselves.
Margaret Thatcher never was but you will never be convinced otherwise.
Don’t write nonsense then and I won’t have to.
Where is your proof to back up your bold statement.
Everyone has self interest Charlie–you, me, my 85 year old Mother, Margaret Thatcher and Mother Theresa it’s how you get by in life.
Dennis was a millionaire, I don’t care if he was, good luck to him, but self interest achieved that goal. The same as anyone else who ever turned a Pound.
You don’t get to lead any organisation without it–least of all a serious political party.
Only Jesus Christ was supposedly without it–and you don’t believe in him.
You’ve stated it here.