John.
No I meant what would UKIP do the day after we left the EU..?
I suspect the fall out would be enormous and the country would need good, clear thinking government to steer us through those difficult early days.
Like Charlie, I think eventually Britain would find new markets, and possibly more lucrative ones, but that wouldn’t happen immediately and some loss of turn-over would occur.
That’s what I mean about hardships.
British business would need to be freed up by a considerable amount if they were going to pursue new business in new markets–and win it.

Are UKIP for instance, that clear in their statements on how they would achieve this??–for instance, and this is where I call in my earlier statement about Panacea politics. It’s easy to say we’ll find new markets–and of course that can indeed be done. But it actually needs to be done by someone–not just talked about. Business would need assistance to do this.
Likewise, my guess is that initially at least, until that happy state had been achieved, unemployment would rise and standards of living drop. Again have UKIP done any forward planning for this?–got any advanced thinking on it?? And that again begs again my earlier question. Have the rank and file really got the stomach for this..?

You convince me of some of the above–and you’ve got yourselves a convert.
Andy

I have a feeling the pain will be a great deal less than many – largely pro-EU – suggest it would be.

No Charlie, I think it would be considerable, but speaking personally, I for one would be willing to bear it.
Not because I feel I have some masochistic destiny to be martyred, but because I do think it would ultimately be worth it.
I base my opinion on the way I fear the political zealots who without doubt have a ‘European Federalist Vision’ have behaved in the past and that coupled to the fact that so many have their feet in the trough, and therefore keeping the United Kingdom in, is in very much their vested interests.
I cannot see them acting in anything other than complete spite to attempt to scew us over, and that may well evolve into an economic war of attrition.
As I said though, this might be hard in the short term, and require bold, clear thinking descissions from our masters but in the end might benefit us all.

Now, if UKIP think they’re the people to act like this, I’m listening, but apart from the initial thing of getting us out–what do they intend to do next..??

A.

While I find much of what Mr. Farage says both interesting and appealing, I might also say (with certain reservations bearing mind subsequent events) that had I been German and living in Germany in 1933, I might have found some of what Herr Hitler said, both interesting and appealing, and although I’m not for one minute contending that UKIP is in any way like the NSDAP, I am somewhat suspicious of panacea politics.
Glib answers are not hugely likely to impress me, and while I feel that Britain departing from the EU would be both a sensible, and in the long term good thing for Britain, I doubt that the British people these days have the moral fibre to withstand the considerable hardship this would very likely bring in the short and medium term. Having said that, I happen to believe that departure from the EU would probably have the purgative effect that I feel this country and it’s somewhat indolent, shallow and self obsessed society badly needs.
So, in the long run, after much pain, a better society might well emerge.
Speaking personally, should I use my own resources (petrol, wear and tear on the car, my valuable time etc) to place my vote for UKIP on the ballot paper, only to find that once in power they behaved like the previous twenty or so groups of indolent, crooked, self centred w*nkers who have claimed to have run the country in my lifetime, I might well be somewhat angry and disappointed.
Therefore for the moment, until I get a better feel for what is really going to happen within UKIP–and without, I shall withhold judgment and remain ‘non aligned’.

And this overlayed by the fact that the EU “government” itself is less democratic than any of its member states.

Yes and Mr Farage describing Greece as ‘The German Protectorate Of Greece’ actually isn’t now that absurd.

I think he also said something like:- “If you take democracy, liberty and freedom of speech away from ordinary people, all they are left with as tools, are nationalism and violence”.

We’ll see.
A.

Well what concerns me the most is that non of the really financially troubled countries in the EU have much in the way of what we might describe as a multi-party democratic history.
I clearly remember this little footnote to history happening on the telly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/23/newsid_2518000/2518825.stm

It might be thirty years ago but I wonder what lays beneath the surface of Spanish politics today??
Greece, Spain and Portugal were all military dictatorships relatively recently and although the reptiles in the media talk as if multi-party democracy is the norm and therefore set in stone–we (and in that I include most here) with a better grasp of history knows that it is not.
Interesting times.
A.

It chills me to think our EU payments will be going to those fish stealing, chlamydia harbouring no-gooders!

Isn’t that sort of comment a bit unnecessary??
I’m sure the ordinary folk of Spain aren’t a great deal different from the ordinary folk anywhere.
They get up, go to work, pay their taxes and like the rest, get screwed over by politicians and the rich–and probably want a better life for their children.

As to the EU, it is as Charlie says, little short of a disaster.
The real crisis is still coming in my opinion.

Andy.

No Mr T, I fear he is real and genuine.
Look at his history and read his posts elsewhere.

While I’m very sorry for the small children killed and the others too, my view is this.
If you’re daft enough to permit laws where you can buy an assault rifle in a corner shop, tolerate an education system where someone like the contributor above can call himself educated and still reckon that you’re a superpower–then you deserve everything you get.

I like America, I know some of them and have been there much in the past, but come on.
The second amendment was framed back in 1700 & something.
Do you really think this women (the boy’s Mother) really needed to own an assault rifle because she might called when they raise a state militia..?

In the same way, I keep a man trap and some manacles, in case one of my slaves tries to escape and I always keep some handy kindling in the house in case the five year old boy I employ to sweep the chimneys gets stuck up there and I need to shift him.

It’s archaic crap.

Andy.