I can’t quite say why, but I find this offensive.
Alan.
I would think the complete insincerity of much of it may be one of the causes of how you feel.
It’s as the poem always says, dulce et decorum est pro patria mori … 🙂
If you’re quoting from ‘Horace’s Odes’ or even the British female poet Jessie Pope then it’s a straight comment.
However, Wilfred Owen in writing his poem about that infamous gas attack, in response to what he saw as the jingoistic twaddle of Pope, was dripping with a fierce sarcasm.
A.
It’s as the poem always says, dulce et decorum est pro patria mori … 🙂
If you’re quoting from ‘Horace’s Odes’ or even the British female poet Jessie Pope then it’s a straight comment.
However, Wilfred Owen in writing his poem about that infamous gas attack, in response to what he saw as the jingoistic twaddle of Pope, was dripping with a fierce sarcasm.
A.
Derek.
I always did say the universe was a queer place.
I say this now because I find myself agreeing with you for the second time in a week.
Perhaps we should declare peace..?
Good luck on Sunday.
I raise these questions because remembrance has always been somewhat unclear in my mind–believe it or not.
I’ve stood at Lochnagar crater at 07.30 hrs on a July 1st morning with tears streaming down my face and a heart full of indignant anger before now–not easy when trying to sing ‘Abide With Me’ at the same time.
My own view is that not much good ever came of war–apart from a lot of bl**dy misery.
Please continue giving views.
Andy
Derek.
I always did say the universe was a queer place.
I say this now because I find myself agreeing with you for the second time in a week.
Perhaps we should declare peace..?
Good luck on Sunday.
I raise these questions because remembrance has always been somewhat unclear in my mind–believe it or not.
I’ve stood at Lochnagar crater at 07.30 hrs on a July 1st morning with tears streaming down my face and a heart full of indignant anger before now–not easy when trying to sing ‘Abide With Me’ at the same time.
My own view is that not much good ever came of war–apart from a lot of bl**dy misery.
Please continue giving views.
Andy
Moving on from my original post a little.
Do you think it’s right or wrong that a person should be attacked on ‘Twitter’ because he appeared on stage without a poppy?
Or:-
There appears to have grown up a poppy wearing etiquette–where folk can be criticised for wearing a poppy in the wrong place or having the green leaf bit incorrectly placed–who are the perpetrators of that?
This isn’t hearsay, I’ve actually heard myself, an example of this recently.
I might ask a further question.
If we keep the memory of those who died alive in our own hearts and minds, does it actually matter if we wear a poppy or not?
If it’s of interest to anyone, in the two minutes silence, so many names and places come back to me that I’d need five minutes of silence to order them all and remember them.
I also tend to have at least one RBL wooden cross in the car (usually left over from a battlefield somewhere) that I can place, should I need to.
I might therefore resent being questioned myself over not having a visible poppy.
Thoughts as ever appreciated.
Andy
Moving on from my original post a little.
Do you think it’s right or wrong that a person should be attacked on ‘Twitter’ because he appeared on stage without a poppy?
Or:-
There appears to have grown up a poppy wearing etiquette–where folk can be criticised for wearing a poppy in the wrong place or having the green leaf bit incorrectly placed–who are the perpetrators of that?
This isn’t hearsay, I’ve actually heard myself, an example of this recently.
I might ask a further question.
If we keep the memory of those who died alive in our own hearts and minds, does it actually matter if we wear a poppy or not?
If it’s of interest to anyone, in the two minutes silence, so many names and places come back to me that I’d need five minutes of silence to order them all and remember them.
I also tend to have at least one RBL wooden cross in the car (usually left over from a battlefield somewhere) that I can place, should I need to.
I might therefore resent being questioned myself over not having a visible poppy.
Thoughts as ever appreciated.
Andy
Hi Brian.
Nice pictures.
I’m glad to see the Snipe installed–not too far the Camel.
The RAFM has a very nice collection of Sopwith types now.
A day at Hendon is always worthwhile.
I rather fell out of love with the place a while ago but recently took someone who had never been–who is ex WRAF.
She was knocked out by it–especially the EE Lightning, as she used to be at Binbrook.
Thanks
Andy
Good deal.
Not really my cup of tea but I can see why people might like it.
A.
Good deal.
Not really my cup of tea but I can see why people might like it.
A.
Jim.
If you do fancy a return visit, this might interest you–and it’s in the school Christmas holidays.
This was posted on historic a little while ago.
I’ll be there as well with a motorbicycle or two.
“The Shuttleworth Collection will be hosting an open workshop day. Visitors to the collection will have the chance to get behind the barriers in hangar 1 for photographic access and find out what goes on over the winter months with the collections aircraft by talking to the engineers who will be on hand to answer questions. Weather permitting, two or three of the Collections aircraft will be on show outside the shop.
The open workshop day will be held on 30th December 2012 between 10am and 4pm, normal collection admittance charge applies.”
Might see you there..?
Andy
Jim.
If you do fancy a return visit, this might interest you–and it’s in the school Christmas holidays.
This was posted on historic a little while ago.
I’ll be there as well with a motorbicycle or two.
“The Shuttleworth Collection will be hosting an open workshop day. Visitors to the collection will have the chance to get behind the barriers in hangar 1 for photographic access and find out what goes on over the winter months with the collections aircraft by talking to the engineers who will be on hand to answer questions. Weather permitting, two or three of the Collections aircraft will be on show outside the shop.
The open workshop day will be held on 30th December 2012 between 10am and 4pm, normal collection admittance charge applies.”
Might see you there..?
Andy
G4S are currently negotiating similar arrangements with….
Norfolk and Suffolk–who may combine anyway.
Notts
Beds
Cambs
Leics.
All driven downwards by central Government and coming to your local nick soon.
G4S are currently negotiating similar arrangements with….
Norfolk and Suffolk–who may combine anyway.
Notts
Beds
Cambs
Leics.
All driven downwards by central Government and coming to your local nick soon.
Well, Jim on here is an old Lincs copper and I think it’s safe and not too unfair to say that apart from a few Slavs getting a kicking from the local Boston branch of the EDL, and a bit of D&D in Skeggy in the summer, Lincs is one of the quieter counties in the UK, with an ageing population and few really large troublesome conurbations.
This made it ideal for our masters to try an experiment.
All support staff in February received an E-mail from the chief constable informing them that as of March 31st 2012, they were no longer part of the Police service but employed by G4S.
As you can no doubt imagine, this caused some consternation and frantic soul searching but in the true spirit of the process, they were also informed that any re-application to join the Police (in another role for instance) by the transferred staff would be blocked—so they were f*ck*d off twice.
Support staff include of course, admin, drivers, front desk, custody, ID, control room and quite a host of other indirect Police roles.
This little act supposedly saved several million quid.
And no, I’m not a copper and never have been.
A very dear friend was though, when she left the WRAF back in the day—she pulled on a Police uniform—she’s now one of the G4S transferees.
My own view on the filf is that once the brown shirts were wound up, then if your idea of a good day out was to pull on a pair of size nines and go and give a good kicking to someone who couldn’t fight back, then plod was the only viable alternative.
However, seeing how hard working and how dedicated she and many of her colleagues actually are, my argument sometimes falls to the floor.
It does make joint viewing of the News at Ten ‘interesting’ though—we agree to differ.
I don’t think it’s wrong to say that morale is low.