One of the most refreshing aspects of my US-based Harley-Davidson forum is that it is largely unmoderated. All you bleeding hearts who are so easily offended would be told to ‘Harden the **** Up’…

Al.
Have you ever been to V-4 Muscle Bike??
That’s for V-MAX, Magnas and Suzuki Maduras.
Harley riders are somethimes the target of a bit of mirth…..

Context please Andy.
If the picture concerned featured yourself insted of Tony Blair and I made the comments that Moggy made, about you, what would your opinion be.

I can answer in detail.
Firstly I’d mark the person down as a w*nker and move on. My life isn’t long enough to waste it getting upset over trivial things.
And as I’m certain in my own mind that I have no sexual preferences about children, I wouldn’t worry about it. And if I was like Tony Blair and had screwed the nation and got rich (very) on the back of it–I wouldn’t care anyway.

Your approach to your work force is also interesting. Do you really allow people to say anything ? And only ignore it if you consider them to be of too greater value ?
Very interesting.

Yes.
I employ the person in question to rebuild high powered motorbike engines.
What deviant things he does when I’m not paying him bothers me not one jot, and as struggling small engineering firm, I doubt I’d find another as good with the skills shortage these days, thanks to successive Governments–so welcome to the real World. He’s also very honest, so when I pop out, I don’t need to lock the office or spares cabinets or stores. As long as the client’s engine is rebuilt to his satisfaction I have no other hold over him–and wouldn’t wish to have.
And yes, if I was looking for an excuse to lose someone, then I might suddenly be interested in what he might have to say–might give me an excuse.
I used to run my own moderately sized electrical engineering company in London–sold it in 2003.
I always encouraged people to express themselves.
I can’t stand ‘yes men’–they’re usually weak and ineffectual.
I behaved like a tyrant at times, so yes men didn’t last long as a rule.

Wot?
You mean like “Riding a Harley Davidson is a good idea” ?
Moggy

Well I did own a couple of them once….:):rolleyes::)
Last time I saw you, I nearly ran you over with Richard Shuttleworth’s MGTA.
Just think, if I had done, I’d have saved the World forty seven pages of moaning.

There are sections of the American biking fraternity who still advocate burning black people–especially the POTUS.

A.

If I made comments such as those made by Moggy in my place of work. I would expect to be dismissed immediately for gross mis-conduct.
The world Andy, has changed.

I love self delusion.
If you really think it’s really changed–then I fear you are mistaken.

Today I heard this conversation in my workplace–as nesr as i know this is exactly as said.
“Well let’s face it, if you wanted to be a kiddy fiddler, you’d be become a scout master, if you want to give a kickin’ to someone who can’t fight back, you become a copper, and if you fail at them, you can like Bob Dylan said, always join the army.”

I didn’t sack the individual–he’s too valuable to me.

Also, I don’t know about the rest of you, the message inbox on my phone keeps getting filled up with Jimmy Saville jokes, many from people in jobs who should know better–much better.

Well Moggy
Since you asked.
I found your post exceedingly offensive.
I will not comment about your sarcasim.

Christ almighty–if that caused you exceeding offense then life must be a complete b*stard for you. Almost everything in the modern World must cause you offence–especially the TV, papers–ITV on a Saturday night–that certainly irritates me.
What other things cause this much offence for you..?
I’m intrigued.

I mean if you kick my front door and steal my furniture, I might be exceedingly offended, but what was said here was only the sort of thing you here in any engineering environment any day of the week.
I mean as an apprentice I was called every name under the Sun and I was often closely questioned on every sort of sexually deviant behaviour–this was seen as a character building exercise.
Later as a manager and company director of an electrical engineering firm, I was called every name under the Sun (again).

I might suggest you get over yourself.
You must have lead a very sheltered existence.
I might also suggest you go and frequent American biker forums–they have things written there which would curl the toes of many here.

In certain quarters this went down like a brick budgie……..

Oh, I do like that little expression.
I might nick that and use it myself–it can replace the ‘it went down like a lead submarine’ which I’ve been using for a number of years now.

I will say that up to Moggy’s post, I had almost made the mistake of taking what goes on here with a modicum of seriousness–after a long time of treating many with near contempt.
Then numptyism en masse broke out and I realised that as ever it isn’t worth a bean.
I shall now return to baiting mode.

BSG-75 – you are right about one.The forum has indeed gone downhill. And it’s easy to see why.

Well Derek, I tend towards thinking this forum has gone downhill at an alarming rate ever since those halcyon days when the thread with ‘Dan Buster’ was originally put together back in 2003.
I see from your profile that you’ve only been here since 26th August 2012
Although that old fox Bazy seems to think you were here before that as Arthur Pewty.
Has it really fallen that far in less than 2 months?

Personally, I really only come here to bait numpties–as I informed you once before, I find it mildly more diverting than the telly–and let’s face it, this place is richly endowed with them.
I might not always agree with Moggy, or Kev, or anyone else, but they will remain what they are, themselves.

Why don’t you lighten up and enjoy life a bit more?
Buy a motorbicycle, meet a nice girl, have a drink–whatever.

Oh, and I’ve met Moggy (a few times) and he’s a reprehensible old git, but to know him is to love him……:);):)

Without wanting to put words in his mouth or necessarily speaking on Moggy’s behalf, I wonder if he’s allowed himself a bit of irony here–seeing as Labour are bleating about wanting an independent enquiry.
Who knows what it may unearth?–Who knew??–Who turned a blind eye???

And before you think it, say it, or write it.
I hate Blair, Brown, Nu-Labour–nearly as much as the present bunch of public school educated w*nkers.
So I’m not making a party political point.

A.