why do you presume that ??? because everyone who has passed a test is the ultimate rider ??

No because the authorities–that’s the law, that you’re so keen on quoting to other riders on here uses the fact of passing a test as a mark of competence.

As I said before, people like you take endless advantage of what is for all intents and purposes a loophole in that law, to continue riding. Without showing the commitment to passing a test.
You also talk about people who you feel bring motorcycling into disrepute.
I actually feel that endless renewal of provisional licences has the same effect.

And the Bonneville is a strange choice for off road work.
What mods did he do to that..?

again the fact the british industry went under when no others did would dispute it

Whereas Italian, German and even American governments came to the aid of their motorcycle industries.
Here like much else, it was just allowed to die.

The Japanese did storm in with great designs. At a time when the british bike industry was already dieing.
But I’ll reiterate, not all was bad–not all was good from any party.
Never mind, I’ve enjoyed all sorts over the years.

Well at least someone in the family passed his test.

Wow, you two boys are talking right in my front yard now.
My VF1100C’s have all those issues–and more.
As recently as last night I had a potential customer on-line asking about VF750 engine rebuilding, he’d just bought one for restoration.
I actually love those bikes but my goodness they caused Honda some serious worries–nearly ruined the company.
I’ve got some really ‘interesting’ cam-shafts that I could show you. I think they actually are made out of chocolate–or even plasticine.
The line boring thing is true too.
The head layout is a work of art but will never replace the internal combustion engine if you know what I mean.
The first time I lifted a cam cover off I quickly replaced it and found more pressing tasks elsewhere.
I’d have a 750 tomorrow–but only because I’m the cussed sort who likes a mechanical challenge.

A.

i wouldn’t trust a brit bike to the paper shop
for just one instance the triumph boniville 1977 jubilee limited edition model of wich there were 1000 made
the trim paint on the wheels was peeling within months of being sold

As usual you talk about something you have no knowledge on.
Your experience of Triumph ownership must by definition be limited.
I see Japanese stuff too in some dreadful states of decay–it’s all about storage in most cases.
Riden hard and put away wet, it doesn’t matter who makes them.

So, you’ve never owned a British bike, can’t ride anything of any size and your experience of motorcycling is riding a 125cc Honda and some 250’s long ago before our glorious law-makers took even that limited pleasure away from you.
Yet you continue to give us here the breadth of your experiences.
If you detect a note of irritation in what I write when I refer to you, you are correct. I have serious issues with people who don’t pass their test. Especially when like you, they profess expertise–and are quite verbal in their condemnation of other riders. Ones who I happen to know of and who know what they are doing.

I came upon a Jubilee Bonnie for sale not so long ago. You could buy a lot of 125’s for what they were asking. Not hugely my choice, I never thought parallel twins were hugely exciting. The British bike industry did die, and they did make a lot of ‘grey porridge’ like bikes. The people who ran it under invested and the rest paid the price.
The British would never have built anything like my V4 Hondas, so there was obviously a R&D problem, but that doesn’t make everything British bad, or for that matter everything japanese good–there have been some right dogs.

Well, my biking ambitions remain diverse.
At present I’d like to get myself a pre-Vtec VFR800. Preferably one in that limted edition Honda racing scheme they did a few years ago.

If I came into a moderate sum of wonga I’d like a Scott Flying Squirrel. The reason being that I once had an uncle who had one and I know of a couple now.

If bigger sums came my way, I’d think about a Calthorp Ivory or an Ivy or even a Wooler flat twin would join my stable.
I recently saw a 1900 Singer for sale at a Bonhams auction. the reserve was £19,000.00. The collection actually has one of those–currently in need of some attention.

Most modern bikes don’t do a great deal for me though, I can walk through a modern bike shop in about three minutes usually.

Interestingly though, I have a ’76 GL1000 engine on the bench. The crankcases are vertically split.
No sealant is used between the halves.
Actually the ‘wing engine is something of a work of art.

What has started here is the endless and pointless argument about British and Japanese bikes.
Both have advantages and disadvantages–and more importantly merit.
Anyone who dismisses one type out of hand displays a lack of knowledge–that simple.
I happen to like Italian and American bikes too–and French and German ones come to think of it.
All of them are better than being stuck in a car on a hot day.

brit bikes pissed oil like drunks a well known fact although to be fair a lot of that legend could be put down to bodging by local bike shops
but therein lies a problem too if they were forever being split down by the local garage they were unreliable junk to be in there in the first place
because sureley the same mechanics would have worked on jap bikes wich shows jap bikes were rarely stripped or certainly nowhere near as frequent as brit stuff
got to admit there is some brit stuff that looks nice ( from a distance ) but i myself would rather have toothache than own or ride one !!

How little you understand.
Your lack of understanding of engineering is stunning–quite amusing actually.
Have you ever ridden or owned one?–well obviously not.
I actually prefer Japanese bikes myself but that isn’t to say that British bikes have no merit–because they have much.
Having recently been the member of a team which restored a one hundred and eight year old Coventry built Aurora (the last one anywhere), and then rode it at a public display, I can say that I haven’t enjoyed anything as much in years. I also have a 1963 Francis Barnett 250 Cruiser in my shop at the moment. A full cosmetic rebuild is required but the bike has been in the same family since bought new at Fowlers of Bristol back in the sixties. It’s Villiers 4T engine starts easily and will need only a cosmetic job before it goes back in the frame. The current owner is the grand-daughter of the original purchaser. She rides a 600 Thundercat and a 650cc Suzuki Gladius as well as being somewhat fond of Grandad’s Frankie-B

Of course you’d need a full license to ride all three of these nowadays.
See what you’re missing stuck out there in ‘Learner land’..?