When I recently visited Cosford for the first time in many years, my nephew and I were both very impressed by the airliner collection. I think they are a real asset to the museum. It would be a shame to see them go.
I remember watching this film in the seventies. It’s very spooky and well-worth seeing.
Great thread. Thanks.
Lovely – as a chap who obviously knows his stuff 😉 would you care to offer a similarly cogent analysis of why the US/UK forces advanced so slowly across Germany (and into Berlin) in the dying months of the European War? Was it
(a) to limit cost of US lives
(b) to limit cost of US and UK lives
(c) only [a] above .. the Limeys would have gone at it harder
(d) to increase cost of Russian lives
(e) to pay back Germany for being the b’s who started it all ..let the Red Army deal to them
(f) because of supply chain extension or other practical difficulties
(g) something elsecheers D
I recall reading that Eisenhower considered that Hitler’s strongest divisions were in the cental area of Germany and that’s why he advanced by the routes he chose in order to save Allied lives. I have no doubt that the Allies would have preferred to get to Berlin and into Poland before the Soviets.
Some rather patronising remarks on this thread, methinks.
I am very envious of you living in an historic location. I have found the best books to find out more about an airfield are the “Action Stations” series of books. Each one covers a different area of the UK and overseas. They seem quite expensive these days so you might want to try a library.
I think it’s in the nature of a site devoted to historic aviation that threads will be resurrected from time to time. Good to hear that this Lightning may have a future after all.
Perhaps THE Art Deco aeroplane dont you think?
TT
See also Westland Whirlwind.
At least one aircraft, V4, is said to have shot down a US Navy PB4Y Liberator of VB-105 (BU#63917) commanded by Lt Evert. This epic air battle occurred October 22, 1943. Since the war this has often been quoted as a BV 222 shooting down an Avro Lancaster.
That must have been an awesome airbattle. Incredible.
A brilliant photo. I feel for the poor blighters who were flying it.
Blimey!
i’d like to differ on the opion that there was no fighter superior than the 1940 spit ‘hurri and 109e as the a6m2 that were sent to china at about the same time were more manoeurvable had longer range and better arnament and were faster than a p40c. the lack of self sealing tanks isn’t a problem in this time frame iirc as most aircraft didnt have till late in the b,o,b
paul
I was summarising what had been discussed in this thread and that’s why I didn’t bring the Zero up. So does that lead me to consider a nightmare scenario: Heinkels and Dorniers bombing Britain in summer 1940 escorted by hordes of licence-built Zeroes? Would I now be speaking German?
I like these What-if questions and think they are quite legitimate in a forum like these. I have learnt a lot from them about what advances in technology made a difference in past conflicts. Reading this thread, I concluded that there was no fighter superior to the Hurricane, Spit and 109 in 1940 but the British plans were hampered by outdated armaments until the 20mm cannon was fitted to them. Also surprised me how US aircraft lagged behind Europeans until later versions of their planes entered services.
I dont know much about Spitfire marks so to me it’s the different colour schemes that appeal: desert camo looks purposeful, silver or red looks racy and PR Blue is my fave. The whole concept of PR spits and what they did is awesome. Definitely the best Spit is any Spit in PR Blue.
iirc, the peak month for WWII aircraft production in German controlled territories was November 1944 (Green’s “Warplanes of the Third Reich”). If true, pretty amazing considering the degree of disruption to that bombing did to infrastructure.
Ignoring opinions of the Nazi’s grasp of strategy etc, I guess the Luftwaffe was defeated by attrition and the allies’ strategic campaign against fuel production and distribution.
Amazing though they were, the failure to bring technological jumps like the Me262 into substancial service was not the issue.
I’ve no doubt that no Nazi weapon (except an atomic bomb) could have stopped the defeat of Nazism. What interests me is what would have happened if sufficient V1s backed up by jet fighters and bombers had been able to stop D-Day taking place in June 44? We might have ended up with Stalin reaching the Rhine before us. (apologies for going off topic)