TigersharkThe philosophies are neither Eastern or Western, since both Russian and US designs tend to incorporate it. For example, two small engined philosophy—F-5E; F-18 Hornet. Big single engined philosophy—MiG-23 series. Other examples: Typhoon vs. F-35; Su-15 vs. MiG-23.
The advantage of two smaller engines is this.
1. Technologically, two weaker engines to produce the same thrust is much easier to achieve than making one big super engine.
2. Safety with redundancy.
Advantage of one big engine:
1. You have nearly 2x less moving parts to produce the same thrust. Overall its more efficient and fuel economical, far easier to repair and get up to operational.
2. Less total weight.
thanks but I think you misread what I wrote.
I didn’t say the design was Eastern Bloc, I said the aircraft was.
For a time, and maybe still is.. military weapons from China, E.Europe and Russia were considered Eastern Bloc as they used similar standards for different things.. like ammo size, etc.
and it is like I said that compared to the J-8, J-7, etc.. the J-10 seems more similar to Western aircraft than Russian ones in the past.
TigersharkThe parts of Russia that are east of the Urals are parts of Russia.
no, they are part of China that Russia took over. Alot of the asian tribes that live there had to flee to the Chinese side of the border.
Under Yeltsin, Russo-Chinese relations were very warm.. but under Putin, he says one thing but does another.
TigersharkThe parts of Russia that are east of the Urals are parts of Russia.
no, they are part of China that Russia took over. Alot of the asian tribes that live there had to flee to the Chinese side of the border.
Under Yeltsin, Russo-Chinese relations were very warm.. but under Putin, he says one thing but does another.
TigersharkI think there is some misunderstanding.
I know that Japanese have two ways to pronounce thing, one way is their way and another is based on classical Chinese which is why I brought up Oo and Dai, but the point I’m trying to make is that often you will see them use the Japanese pronunciation for most uses, and the Chinese one usually only for names and titles of objects. But in Korean, from what I see, it is different.. alot of times they don’t have any Korean version and just use the classical chinese way, everything from their culture, language, etc is much closer to China than Japan is to China.
loan words from English are in any language but they only make up a small percentage, compared to the vast amount of Chinese words that make up most of the Korean vocabulary and even other Asian neighbors.
anyway, sorry for going off topic, but it this was related to how Korea will be closer to China if Japan gets the F-22
TigersharkYes, if you look at history, there are times when Korea attacked China.
In one of their three kingdoms story.. a South Korean kingdom called Baiji took over Shandong and Laoxi. They also fought alot of Northern Chinese people too. Another is the war at Tianmenling. There was also a few near wars too. a Korean Mongol general called Daizu was aiming to conquer all of N.E China to reincorporate it into Korea, but he went against the idea.
But for the last 200 years or more.. China never really attacked Korea or vice versa, it is just between Korea and Japan. Relations between China and Korea is very good now, but sometimes there are foolish Korean nationalists who want to build an empire from South Korea all the way into Dongbei areas. But there is alot of Chinese nationalists too.
but the language, yes it derives alot from Chinese. the grammar may be like Japanese but in the end, 2/3rds of the Korean language use Chinese words. The entire belief system, traditions, architecture, and culture is derived from China too, which is why the two share strong roots.
Japan is different, they do borrow some things from China like the characters.. but they use them differently, and they often use their own way of pronouncing things. Like the word for Great in Chinese is Da or Dai. In Korean it is Dae, but in Japanese it is Oo. very different. the Japanese also can say Dai but they almost always use Oo. the Japanese culture still keep alot of pagan, old style beliefs, and worse is that they tried to force it on other people like the Koreans and Taiwanese.
Tigersharkjapan
the US jeapordizes its relationship with Korea if they do that
Korea shares alot of historic relations with China
for centuries, China defended Korea when it was invaded by barbarians like Japan, and other groups.
Most of Korea’s culture and language is rooted from China
theres strong roots because of that.
yes, there are times when China invaded Korea, but Korea also invaded China too..but these are not recent. unlike Japan
Tigersharkhow likely will the UK order Rafales for their carrier
TigersharkThat is why PAF JF-17 will stick with Chinese radar even after the 50 unit deliver…
JF-17 will continue to have a Chinese monopoly of content(avionics and weapon) which is both good and bad for JF-17 as export for China…..
that is exactly the point! given that Pakistan has few options for weapons sources and that it is difficult to beat the JF-17 in price/performance ratio, there should be little complaint, and China should be able to demand more domestic content.
But eventually, the PAF will have the J-10 too, and if the US is as involved in what the Pakistani’s fly..then there’s a chance they may look inside the J-10 too.
TigersharkOne key element is Pakistan wants full TOT with their western radar, so they can play around with it themselves. That tends to open up the closed loop logic of China not wanting to share SD-10s ins and outs with italians. Pakistan will also be getting full documentation with the JF-17s so that simplifies integration even further. Or so I think 😀
Pakistan is too risky to trust with integrating the SD-10 to a non Chinese radar. They still maintain links with the US and Europe.
Besides, it seems that their industries tend to think that anything European is automatically better than a Chinese equivelent. The times have changed and they should just be happy with the current radar and the SD-10. Unlike the US or Britain, there’s little political strings that come with Chinese weapons.
Tigersharkso what are the details to why the Rafale isn’t being considered by the japanese. Some one mentioned that it didn’t meet what the japanese want but whats the details? I thought the French were open to license production, tech transfers (from their Korea dealings).. as well as the fact that the Rafale is ahead in A2G integration compared with the Taphoon, and may be useful when if ever, Japan goes for a carrier.
Tigersharkstar49’s rantings are blatantly racially motivated.
it’s a bit boggling to see some one from Pakistan become so biased against Chinese aviation and so supportive of Russian aviation. Especially considering that China and Pakistan share a close military alliance for decades, with China helping and teaching Pakistan how to develop their aircraft industry, supporting them through times where most other countries refuse to sell major weapons systems. All this despite incidents between Islamic extremists and Chinese workers. It’s a pretty special bond, yet I guess he has some issues.
TigersharkGeorge Bush was first elected in 2000 on a domestic platform which was anything but hard line.
and Ahmedinejad wasn’t? his platform was also domestic. Like Hugo Chavez, he focused his appeal on Iran’s poor. Bush’s platform at re-election was hard line stances on foreign policy, and Ahmedinejad is popular for similar reasons.. the Evil-Axis speech didn’t necessarily push many Iranians to support the US either, rather reversed the attitude of moderate minded Iranians.
In Iran all candidates must be approved by the unelected Guardian Council made up of the religious leaders who really control the county.
yes that is true, no one is denying that but.
So Ahmadinejad is simply the most popular of the approved presidential candidates in a cooked election controlled by the Mullahs. All those elected are likewise chosen.
is something you assumed or made up on your own. they may weed out candidates for elections, but keep in mind, the primary candidate that seriously challenged Ahmadinejad was nowhere near as controversial, hardline, and much more reform minded. And before you can even challenge that “he still lost in the end”, the last two elections saw a large victory for Reform minded Khatami who often clashed with the Ayatollahs, not exactly some one they prefer.
TigersharkGeorge Bush was first elected in 2000 on a domestic platform which was anything but hard line.
and Ahmedinejad wasn’t? his platform was also domestic. Like Hugo Chavez, he focused his appeal on Iran’s poor. Bush’s platform at re-election was hard line stances on foreign policy, and Ahmedinejad is popular for similar reasons.. the Evil-Axis speech didn’t necessarily push many Iranians to support the US either, rather reversed the attitude of moderate minded Iranians.
In Iran all candidates must be approved by the unelected Guardian Council made up of the religious leaders who really control the county.
yes that is true, no one is denying that but.
So Ahmadinejad is simply the most popular of the approved presidential candidates in a cooked election controlled by the Mullahs. All those elected are likewise chosen.
is something you assumed or made up on your own. they may weed out candidates for elections, but keep in mind, the primary candidate that seriously challenged Ahmadinejad was nowhere near as controversial, hardline, and much more reform minded. And before you can even challenge that “he still lost in the end”, the last two elections saw a large victory for Reform minded Khatami who often clashed with the Ayatollahs, not exactly some one they prefer.
TigersharkThe Americans voted for a hard liner in a democratic election
and like above, the Iranians voted for a hard liner in a democratic election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election%2C_2005
The Iranian people are the ones who voted in majority, for the Anti Zionist, Israel should blow up to bits, anti Holocaust candidate
over the
more moderate, pro reform, free market loving, Judaism respecting, we can blow up Israel but would be bad for the Islamic world, candidate.
Ahmadinejad is the dangerous hand picked thug of the Mullahs who pull the strings. The fact that they have different customs and “political views” doesn’t mean they get a free pass. We should take them seriously when they make threats.
Sauron
TigersharkThe Americans voted for a hard liner in a democratic election
and like above, the Iranians voted for a hard liner in a democratic election
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election%2C_2005
The Iranian people are the ones who voted in majority, for the Anti Zionist, Israel should blow up to bits, anti Holocaust candidate
over the
more moderate, pro reform, free market loving, Judaism respecting, we can blow up Israel but would be bad for the Islamic world, candidate.
Ahmadinejad is the dangerous hand picked thug of the Mullahs who pull the strings. The fact that they have different customs and “political views” doesn’t mean they get a free pass. We should take them seriously when they make threats.
Sauron
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