So far there are two ways this is going brand new out of the box types such as Gripen – JF-17 – SH – Rafale and SU-30. And there is second hand types such as F-16- Mirage 2000 there has been some good points made as to the way South American counties see them self what they can afford the high cost of western types and the problem with spears on Russian types.

So this how I see it so far

Argentina – should at this time try for second hand Mirage 2000 from Qatar or France due to already operating Mirage 3 and the possibility of shearing training with Brazil and Peru. But if unable to do this they really need to look at JF-17 properly

Brazil – Given how stable the region is at this time should try and pick up the 62 Mirage 2000’s from the UAE and upgrade the 40 best jets to AESA standard as they already operate the type and this would allow them time to look at 5th gen types in 2025 or if they started building an 4.5 gen type in house the time to get it right

Chile – Has just put its F-16’s through a big upgrade but will need to start looking around in 2025 for a replacement or newer F-16’s

Colombia – I feel would like to get is hands on F-16 but if not may also think about Mirage 2000 from France or second hand early Gripens A/C or JF-17if going new

Ecuador – I feel is in the same boat as Colombia with the same options

Peru – Have just upgraded both it main fighter types Mig-29 and Mirage 2000 but will need to start looking in 2025-30 and may look at Mig-35 – J-10 -SU-30/35 or Gripen

Venezuela – Have SU-30 and may look for of them or SU-35

So that’s how I see it and I feel that F-35 – T-50 and J-20/31 are off the table until 2040 in this region

I would like to hear a better argument for Russian and Chinese types put forward based around SU-30/35 Mig-29/35 – JF-17 and J-10A/B.

Like if China fitted a Chinese engine into J-10A and sold them on could this be a way into the South American market ?

argentina – j10a
brazil – no chinese
venezuela – j10b to replace f16 and long term j31. only aircraft that can help stop the americans for them
peru – j31 in two decades
columbia – no chinese
ecuador – jf17

I think the Boeing X-32 is a development of the Harrier concept of direct lift into a LO supersonic aircraft. It has many of the same features to reduce weight. The fuselage hangs from a one piece wing like the Harrier. It has a short single inlet to reduce weight. The concept is more modular as well. It would be much easier to “hang” a UCAV variant off the same wing for example.

A lot of the technological risk of the X-32 was in the use of advanced composites, thermoplastics have matured a lot if you look at the use of thermoplastics in the A380, A350 and 787. If they had succeeded it would have meant an easy to manufacture, lightweight, low cost advanced supercritical delta wing with all the advantages of a delta wing. Strong structure, large internal fuel volume and no wing fold mechanism for the naval variant (weight). The Naval and CTOL variants can share the same wing (cost) and the STOVL variant is a clipped version of the CTOL/CV wing (high commonality). Successful delta wing naval designs include the A4 Skyhawk, Dassault Rafale and F4D Skyray. I think the X-32’s delta wing is of a more advanced design than the Eurofighter and Rafale as well.

Other good points include good all aspect stealth due to the highly swept wing and aft body design with 2D exhaust blended into the rear of the aircraft. A low thermal signature due to high engine mass flow, low drag aerodynamics and long exhaust duct. 2D thrust vectoring can also be used to trim the aircraft (low drag).

I think the F-35 is a development of the Yak-141 concept. A lot of the technological risk was in the lift system but the F-35 uses large, expensive and heavy aluminium/titanium bulkheads in its design. Aircraft weight also affects costs and the F-35 weighs more than a F-15. I don’t think it’ll be a cheap aircraft to operate. The biggest criticism of the F-35 is that the F135 engine has higher thrust to weight ratio than both the EJ200 and F119 but yet the aircraft has similar E-M to a F/A-18.

Kinematics is still important in a multirole combat aircraft especially with the advent of J-20, J-31 and PAKFA. First day of war strike can be carried out by UCAVs like the X-47B which have better range payload, loiter, lower RCS, and thermal signature and Tomahawk block IV (reprogrammable inflight via sat link).

x32 is not so stealthy from the front because it has straight through inlet like pakfa

Sure they could do 3 – 6 – 10 – times as many but there still not as good as the one we have Chinese fighter types have done nothing out side China and have no proven record

what you mean no proven record? china aviation started for many decades. they build j7, j8, j9, j10, jf17, j20, j31, also parts for 737 and other airliners and radars and jet engines. do not be bias, the history is there.

here is a link

http://www.amazon.com/History-Chinese-Aviation-Encyclopedia-Aircraft/dp/9572853333

Until China unveils one…(with DSI)

Then, its the best s*it ever!111 and everybody else sucks.:rolleyes:

You should really look up why the B-1B came to be before posting, seriously.

But I agree with the idea that China doesn’t seem to need a Tu-22M type of aircraft, unless they plan of expanding their possible operation theater far beyond the south china sea…

please understand you do not put dsi on everything. also understand h6 is a bomber not a fighter.

here is a link to help you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverterless_supersonic_inlet

maybe you accident and went to this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DSi

how is Supersonic bomber not usefull. It can act on real time moving target much faster at far distances. it give greater energy to missile launchs. and with higher powered engines it works as much powerfull EW and Survellence platform. It can escape better from fighters.
In bomber case low cost solution is not the right one.

supersonic bomber is expensive to buy and operate and easy to shoot down. too risky to fly. that is why us dont produce supersonic b1. also fleet of supersonic bombers is one reason why russia collapse in the past. too expensive to keep. even rich china is reluctant to put money in money draining project.

china also have long history of aesa, it is used in the ships awacs and other stuff. also at least three fighters will ahve aesa like j10b, j20 and j31. uk only has one.

anyway point is not uk becuase none of south american will buy typhoon.

china does not need tu22. supersonic bombers is a thing of the past and obsolete. china also can make its own bombers. china do not need su35 either, they can make fighters one generation ahead now and its own j11 is better. china do not need anything from russia except engine but that will change in 3 years