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i tried watching this prog last night ….. but i was most frustrated by the presenter and that woman doing the voice over – particularly the reading of the poem at the end . more like a good 10 minutes’ worth of interest and too much repetition ! if he is a serious investiagtor why not actually start with the CHORLEY losses – he got there in the end almost by accident . how often were we told about the 13 airmen who died ?
WE ACT WITH ONE ACCORD alan cooper
there is a final chapter in this book relating to THE POST WAR
surprising lack of recognition of this date in the media – it wasn’t even the first item on BBC’s site ON THIS DAY
it’s been a poor summer for the old BBC – this mis-statement is an echo of the error in the recent john sargeant LANCASTER programme when his scrptwriters had him claim that the operation to PEENEMUNDE consisted mainly of LANCASTERS ………………………………………………………………..
NX664
no wartime operational history
delivered to 30 & 32 MU
lancaster performance
Lancaster Mk I
Max Speed
287 mph at 11,500′
275 mph at 15,000′
260 mph at 21,000′
Cruising Speed
234 mph at 21,000′
200 mph at 15,000′
wrong film clips – poor editing – etc etc
it was ok for the general public i suppose
not for people who belong to this site i think !
some photographs relevant to this topic – from a 1960s aviation magazine
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at one stage in the programme sargeant’s script writers had him claim that the Peenemunde op was mainly a Lancaster operation …. there were certainly more Lancasters involved – but not many more than the Halifax and Stirling contribution – a quick totting up of numbers Group by Group indicates thus –
1 Gp 115 Lancasters
3 Gp 54 Stirlings 12 Lancasters
4 Gp145 Halifaxes
5 Gp 117 Lancasters
6 Gp (RCAF) 52 Halifaxes 9 Lancasters
8 Gp (PFF) 73 Lancasters 21 Halifaxes
i conclude that 326 Lancasters , 218 Halifaxes and 54 Stirlings were involved – i suppose semantically it was true that it was a mainly Lancaster operation – but the overall figures demonstrate how close the margin was between ‘mainly’ Lancasters and ‘the rest’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-28070167
the BBC also reported this story !
the article was a simple statement of fact – i can’t see why you’re being so unpleasant .
the longest day
a travesty of the events of june 6 1944 – who can forget the ‘lancasters’ towing gliders into battle ………… ??
cy grant -from wikipedia
In 1941, Grant joined the Royal Air Force, which had extended recruitment to non-white candidates following heavy losses in the early years of the Second World War. One of approximately 500 young men recruited from the Caribbean as aircrew, he was commissioned as an officer after training in England as a navigator. He joined 103 Squadron, based at RAF Elsham Wolds in Lincolnshire, becoming one of a seven-man crew of a Lancaster Bomber. In 1943, on his third mission, Flight Lieutenant Grant was shot down over the Netherlands during the Battle of the Ruhr. He parachuted to safety into a field but was captured by German forces and imprisoned in Stalag Luft III camp, 160 kilometres (99 mi) east of Berlin. He was liberated by the Allied Forces in 1945.[8] In 2007, Grant participated in the filming of the documentary Into the Wind (2011), in which he discusses his experiences as an RAF navigator.
last week i listened to the australian dramatisation of AFTER the dams (recordings made in the 1950s) – a bit stilted in places but covered the main points of the history – gibson , cheshire , tait , faquier etc – well worth a listen !
i too have set my recorder for 21.00 this evening
anonymous T2 illustrating generic hangar types in UK
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g…0202.pdf#page1
is the T2 at keevil ? and why are all the hangar types anonymous