can someone tell me what upgrade did this overhaul include? New radar? New engines?, or just repair, tuneup, and replacement of essentials?

also has the 5th Mig-29 been overhauled yet?

Precisely , ive made no comment about S-Duck , Blocker etc, until i get positive or negative proof one way or other. That PHOTOSHOPED (poorly may i add) photo this clown keeps posting is not the proof. I mean we even found original photo from which those blades were cut from, how much more evidence do you need for a photoshop job???

i would like to see original photo without photo-shopped fans then. Not seeing one yet makes me think that whoever shot this photo is the one that edited it. If not, ,then editor stole the photo, killed the photographer, and erased the original. Or maybe :rolleyes:its just been a fun game by Sukhoi dudes.

T-50 !!! has nicest lines of the three.

F-22 is nice but too much hight of front fuselage. It looks asian in that photo above 🙂

F-35 to me is ugliest of the three. Whats up with those vertical stabilizers? Wing surfaces all together are too boring imho.

T-50 deffinitely wins prize for unique wing surfaces!

DIONIS,

why so hostile ? Its not nice to try to shut this thread every step of the way just cause you don’t like it.

I’m not sure Wanderlei.
There could be stuff floating around at Paralay’s, but i havent seen anything.

I do not agree with you on compairing the F-18 VS the Su-27, granted they both are twin engine aircraft but they got very different capabilities and where designed for two different strategic/tactical doctrines.

Compairing the older Flanker against the T-50 makes sense to me.
They both will have the same operational missions, more or less..
They share some of the same capabilities, and they both come from the same manufactors.
The new Su-35S and the T-50 will work as great combo.

Thanks

I see your point, and agree. Mostly equivalent purpose aircraft are compared and judged.

But this time i was only talking about lines/shapes of design of the aircraft, not their designated purpose/mission, nor specs.

I meant similar in looks would be same type a design. For example, Mig-21 and J-8II,

Comparing looks of Su-27 to F-22 or T-50 like we did up there to me is sort of like comparing B-52 to Tu-160 totally different “types”

cheers

This is one absolutely gorgeous airplane, and its only getting better.
You don’t have to be fan-boy to love it, and you’ve got to be a HATER to dislike it.

This is incredibly comedic that you people are STILL talking about some “s-duct” when the picture is as clear as daylight.

Its funny…and here’s why:

Notice the position of the main landing gear and the position where the engine starts.

Now notice in this picture that the radar blocker begins after the main landing gear:

So the question becomes, how is it POSSIBLE that there be any sort of curvature past this point? What we see there is a point that is indeed…at the entrance of the engine.

And we know for a FACT that what we are seeing is a point at the ENTRANCE of the engine face (or rather, we are seeing the radar blocker near the engine face). We know this for a fact, because we can see that it starts some distance after the curve inside the duct to make room for the main landing gear to retract…ie…it starts AFTER the main landing gear. There is absolutely no room after this point for any curvature of any sort.

I don’t know why this needs to be explained to anyone who has some form of vision…but I guess people will see only those things they want to see.

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Secondly, what we are seeing IS a radar blocker. Those are not fan blades.

Thirdly, if this theory now is that they will CHANGE the layout of the intakes etc etc is true…that would mean essentially an entirely new aircraft. But then again we’ve heard a lot of theories on this plane from a lot of people 😉

In order to add a curvature inside those intakes…would require a COMPLETE redesign of the aft-section of the aircraft, a repositioning of the weapons bays, a repositioning of the spine and fuel-tanks in there etc etc. Its a new aircraft.

Well…in 20 years time maybe we’ll see it 😉

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Now another important thing that jumps out by this very close-up picture is that the Russians are…nowhere near…the ability to produce the same level of stealthy construction and assembly technology as the US has developed. The construction techniques on this aircraft seem to be no different than the standard construction techniques of other Russian aircraft…which are not even to the same level as an F-16…

Compare this:

With this:

The riveting, the skin deformation…does not look promising. This is not the same level of construction at all…and it does not indicate the Russians have developed the level of technology to manufacture to the same level.

Yes I know what all the fanboys will say “its only a prototype! how dare you question the genius of Russian designers!” Well to redesign this assembly…into something comparable to what 5-th generation aircraft have…will take a very long time and a lot more effort. Right now, they have yet to show anything which indicates they can develop anything close.

First of all, its two different ways of taking picture.

T-50 was taken WITH FLASH and UNDER ANGLE, which causes surface to look highly contrasty and to show any difference in reflection.

Other two pics are taken from top, or 90deg with natural light, so of coarse it looks nice and smooth.

Its a cheap shot at manufacturing work you are trying to pull.

Try taking a photo of surface of your dining table with natural light and straight from the top, and than do the same from the sharp side angle, and with flash. You’ll get same effect.

cheers

Not to be taken literally, but nevertheless some interesting specs:

Still maintains 10 missiles carried internally, I think 8 is closer to the mark (3 abreast, staggered in the main w/bay, 1 each in the side?)
Imho, that camo may suit the the Su-35BM, but I’m not sure about the PAK-FA. Guess we’ll have to wait for pics.

Is T-50 really over 3m longer than F-22, and over 1m greater wingspan? I can see wing span being such, but I’m a bit surprised about the length.

In that case almost identical wing area doesn’t make sence to me. T-50 appearence in videos evens uggest larger wing area to me. Maybe because of wider spread vertical stabilizers. What do yu guys think?

Data from USAF,[3] F-22 Raptor Team web site,[177] Lockheed Martin,[178] Aviation Week,[92] and Journal of Electronic Defense[94]

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 62 ft 1 in (18.90 m)
Wingspan: 44 ft 6 in (13.56 m)
Height: 16 ft 8 in (5.08 m)
Wing area: 840 ft² (78.04 m²)