RE: British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

You can all read some info about operations that take place against republican AND loyalist groups in books. These are however not accurate(for obvious reasons) and it is only the well known figures, which are in fact known at all.

The fact remains that whilst much of the british empire was colonial, Northern Ireland is not. It is our territory. Therefore there is no question that without a complete role reversal of home policy by the british government, sovereign territory will be defended by this country, from any external or internal threats.

That is why we will stay in Ireland,and never agree to how Republican movements wish to have the country run.

Some time ago you may have seen on TV, pictures of paramilitary groups disarming. This is however basically a token gesture, and does not show a majority of the paramilitary groups capability. It is more than likely that these groups deliberatly polled themselves to sift out the old/broken/suspect tagged weapons to hand into the security forces. There are at least two 50 cal sniper rifles that are still not accounted for, brought in from America. If Libyan assistance is anything to go by, one of the captured hauls had thousands of AK47’s.

What happenns if we do absolve ourselves of the situation in Northern ireland???

What happenns if we completely pull out of Northern Ireland?

For a start you’ll have an ‘immigration problem’ if you will. All those loyalists, who suddenly fear for their own safety are going to be wanting to go somewhere to get away from the republicans….. where? across the irish sea to liverpool, scotland and holyhead.

how do we control this?? we have enough of a problem with blind frenchman denying they are unable to stop refugees crossing the english channel via euro tunnel. British people here ,and some others will be well aware of the trouble and money needed to deal with this displaced population. so we can add possibly a hundred thousand more people to that problem, who will all need re accomodation, jobs, benefits, milk coupons…etc etc etc.

This is simple for an outsider, detached from the realities of this situation to find acceptable.

Should we pull out of northern ireland, its likley that the republicans will have a field day, setting up there own parliament and basically increasing sectarianism amongst the public.

Any one who thinks that peaceful harmony can be established if the uk security forces are pulled out are seriously misguided, and should wake up and smell the coffee. The increased bloodshed that the complete removal of british forces from NI could create is unimaginable.

Is Southern Ireland going to take responsibility for Northern Ireland with all of their problems?, do you seriously think they can be arsed to do this? do they have the money to do this? do they have the will power to do this?…..honestly?….no they havent. They arent especially interested in the slightest about the northern ireland ‘problem’ in the whole of the modern day troubles Eire has made few if no major moves to help resolve the paramilitary conflict. they have tried to crack down on smuggling across the border, other than that, they havent done very much. British or NI security forces need to seek permission to follow a chase of a ‘suspect’ terrorist into southern ireland, this is a lengthy time consuming process which inevitably means the loss of the ‘suspect’ terrorist. smuggling across the border is extremely easy, as those who read ‘bandit country’ will know. Prominent members of the Southern Armagh brigade own land that is both on northern irish soil and Eire Soil. as you can imagine smuggling across the border is hugely facilitated if you can drive across private farmland with the goods you are smuggling, under the cover of a bogus company set up.

These boundaries are soo poorly defined, (as with most countries) that more than one squaddie has been left on southern irish soil with his weapon, and arrested by the guarda for owning a lethal weapon!

Pulling out of Northern Ireland will also remove prime locations for inserting covert security forces multiplying the difficulty in logistics and money/manpower in inserting these vital assets.
Not being in Northern Ireland also reduces the ability to observe these paramilitary forces and gain intelligence on their modus operandi, and the people working for them. An increased need for covert operations would be required to maintain this intelligence…somthing that cant be taken from satellites.

And finally perhaps……we will get a further reduction in our armed forces…..NI is one less problem to deal with, which is no longer taking up such and such amount of equipment/time/people..so we dont need to keep that amount. AS i believe the shortsighted government think.

that is until the republicans decide to launch a new regime of attacks on the british mainland, and it is found expedious to redeploy to Northern Ireland for perhaps a greater escalation in conflict than seen in that country for nearly 90 years. This is a problem the Israeli’s are finding themselves having to deal with…and look at the trouble they get for that, and they arent hugely successful all the time. This, for the UK is an untenable position.

coanda

RE: British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

different ethics mongu.

different way of going about doing things……

perhaps the most important thing about the eastern bloc etc was that very few people were allowed out and very few were allowed in, this gives you a captive audience and as such, they can be influenced by hearing only one side of the story. The public knew it was a crap way of life, but they also had nothing to compare with.

The difference in the eastern empire if it can be called that is the technology used to persuade the people who could in effect be watched 24 hours a day. This is different from british garrisons etc in india which provided ‘islands’ of united kingdomness (yeah i know thats a crap word), without actually being able to watch the public 24 hours a day frommore than justthe bastions of the garrison.

Back on the Ireland theme….

Some of you UK residents may have seen the troubles taking place in northern ireland recently, and how fear of sectarian violence can affect a family.

It now appears that the RUC as was is not capable of dealing with any surge in violence and the pictures in the news show how much the northern Irish situation can turn.

A Mr Mcglaughlin from Sein Fein made a statement to BBC 1 stating that sein fein is not doing anything more to stp this until all british rule is finished and they can deliberately affect how the police force of Northern ireland operates.

as you can see, sein fein is still after complete rule in Northern ireland and now it has been given an inch it seems it intends to take a mile.

The army have been brought in to patrol belfast, and on short alert to deal with any problems that escalate above that controlable by the police.

coanda

RE: British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

mixtec, thanks very much for copying that out of the book, it was worth your time and effort.

the same colonialisation as practised later on by the brits, this is the way all empires grow, and all of them fall.

coanda

RE: Flight Sims

well if your going fast enuff and you can afford to loose the height its not a problem. ive seen pics from a 707 cokpit where its at a top of a loop, if you have enuff energy you can do anything safely, you could loop at a constant two g if you had the energy. i only own cfs1 cfs2 of microsofts, and dont load them up anymore, looking to sell them with some other sims i dont use. What i did like about msfs98 was the fact that the learjet could spin, and was recoverable without very much loss of height!! good for displays.

what version of x-plane do you have?

RE: British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

oh there was loads of those things on the news, more than likley one of the ceasefires and armistices that have gone on, if you look through news archives you’ll find pics of rooms full of guns, but thats only really a token gesture, for example, did you see any 50 cal sniper rifles in there?? thought not!

As for the SA7’s they would be libyan and only one got to an ASU(active service unit) I believe

rpg’s i can believe.

coanda(who cant remember right now what SDLP stands for.)

RE: British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

perhps a little clearer and more specific:

Sein fein is the political front of the IRA

SBLP…..never heard of them…..is this a spelling mistake rabie?

UUP is the Ulster Unionist Party

DUP……do you mean UDP(Ulster Democratic Party) rabie??

rabie those threat estimates I know for a fact are outdated by at least five years.

whatever weapons are left out of the ‘armistice’ as such are nearly all tracked, or the locations known.

In no way have the loyalist paramilitaries stood down to any great extent. Certainly not disbanded.

coanda

RE%3A British withdrawal from Northern Ireland

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 17-08-02 AT 10:47 PM (GMT)]see below post

RE: Flight Sims

big one here

coanda