i never said sell at a loss. if they usually sell a plane at 50mil a percentage of that price must logically be profit, otherwise what is the point in making the plane in the first place. if I’m not mistaken Briton is still one of the biggest spenders defence wise, so reducing you profit a percentage to gain potentially large orders makes perfect sense to me. as long as they are not cutting it by such a large amount as to make a loss, they would only be gaining orders that they would not have got otherwise.

from my own viewpoint id rather we didn’t buy off the shelf equipment, but it would still make sense to me that they would see us as a healthy market, i can certainly also see politicians being sold on the idea of us using the same equipment as “our closest ally”.

Does anybody know if they are going to be 2D or 3D nozzle? if there 3D would they not be able to upwards and outward to avoid the said part of the rudder and have the same effect ?

LmRaptor :

Well , this is debatable .
We already know that the Rafale has better sustained and instantaneous turn rate than the Typhoon in low altitude and/or at Sea level .
It shouldn ‘t change much at medium altitude and high subsonic .
In high altitude and supersonic , the Typhoon ‘s engines should give the fighter more energy and so , a better sustained turn rate .
At least on paper .

Cheers .

Tell me how u know that as a fact or is that again a opinion?

Is there something new about the DA5’s LERX ?

I found this on a blog :
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.com/p/eurofighter-typhoon.html

This story is still very mysterious to me… How did it start ? Why ? What was discovered ? Will the fleet benefit from it ?

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isnt that liger who posts on the naval aviation threads blog? im sure he posted a link to it once saying it was…. or maybe im delusional.

infact im pretty sure it is maybe he can expand on it!

Aren’t most of the RAF’s Typhoon’s flown by ex-F3 pilots? A dog-fight is the last place an F3 pilot would want to be, so it’s not surprising (if it was RAF pilots coming up short in one exercise) that they are not up to speed in WVR combat.

Also did this exercise take place before the introduction of the Typhoon Helmet-Mounted Display?

I was thinking along the same lines. i must be a good while since the RAF has had a aircraft that they could consider competitive in the wvr arena.

looking back though the recent history, Tornado, Phantom, Lightning.. no wonder our pilots are not dog fighters. in fact unless we face a attack from the mainland Europe high altitude bvr missile trucks is all that we really require. Surely the only things that can reach us are long range bombers from Russia with the odd SU-27 which with the aide of E-3D should be a relatively easy proposition.

so my point being even if the typhoon could be a capable wvr fighter will much training hours be allocated to the discipline anyway?–

please indulge me if this seems like a stupid question but why is the eurofighter advertised as a agile fighter if every body and her mum can beat it in a WVR fight. and if it struggles in the low speed areas why doesnt it just keep things quick where its supposed to be good?

The MMRCA competition from another perspective :

http://www.dedefensa.org/article-l_inde_ses_avions_et_le_pakistan_et_les_francais_25_05_2011.html

that is a bit below the belt isnt it! your basically saying that if the Eurofighter wins it is because the british corrupted the indians? fair enough well i’m saying that i expect the french to surrender at any moment! 😉 (the diffence being im saying that in jest!)

although i seriously doubt that there will be any corruption in the process the indians have said right from the start that it will not be politically oriented and will be made very transparent to the competitors. but hey if the french want to state that the indians are open to corruption then i can only see that strenghting the case for the eurofighter.