Here’s a question…. and it may be a stupid question.

The point of this contract is that India will set up a production line and licence build whichever aircraft they choose. Now we all know that things are expensive to build in Europe and cheap to build in India would this make the prices of the Indian built aircraft cheaper?

If this is the case would it be worthwhile the European country’s moving some of their own production over to the Indian production plant? Or say some of the orders for Brazil or japan if the respective bids are successful

I understand what you’re saying perhaps i am just a sceptical person, anyway one day the truth will all become apparent. Perhaps when Europe becomes its own state, I would love to see what we could all come up with without the hassle that a consortium of governments creates. Anyway I think the euro canards are starting to show there worth all Europeans should be proud of this!!

The fact that those encounters are used for marketing purpose is one thing, saying it is a lie is another.

When the rafale repeatedly dominate the typhoon in its own field (AtA) why would the AdA/dassault be silent and shameful about that ? Besides-perhaps it is a scoop for some…But the french press is independent. DSI and A&C are highly regarded aeronautic magazines that sometimes reports the bad news when something bad happen. Those are the same magazines that some quote to argue against the rafale (radar range story in the UAE) ! Talk about double standard !

I am not saying it’s a lie what I am saying is it’s not proof…

But if it makes u feel good about yourself you can believe that the rafale is better in every way if you like, as i stated i hold no particular affection for the typhoon but i find it hard to believe the rafale enjoys the sort of superiority that the rafale fan boy’s state.

BTW all British newspapers are independent doesn’t stop them telling the world that something British is the best in the world (English football team before every world cup) because that is what British readers want to read which in turn helps to sell newspapers. French magazine+ French readers = articles that the French would like to read. I would hold a similar article stating the Eurofighter is superior in the same scepticism.

“The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.” Malcolm X.

How credible could be a comercial consortium peep when it compare europhoon to a Raptor?

Spin in this matter is great, False facts always surrounding, based on iased journalism and illusions of wishes!

EF boyos are full of it, I WOULD LIKe TO SEE ANY RELIABLE BUILDER SOURCES ON ANY SMALLEr RAFALE RADAR ANTENNA !

ERC90 recalled Captor, ceasar of whatever has shown all its unabilities to lock any Rafale and Pirates or pretorians or Clingons whatever suite was unable to deal with stealth targeting Rafale into REAL WAR EXERCISES!

as about empty Fuel Rafale of 9.4t with 15.2t max power being T/W ratio not as juicy as Europhoon 12t with 17.8t max power!

the so called “Agile” europhoon can’t last more than 40s and 3 turns to have a Rafale into the 6 in dogs ..

UAE, TLP, Solenzara exercises + Afghanistan, Libya shown all is about comparing OPERATIONAL plateform and pdf Comercials ones, one prove on FACTS, the others only Fiction!

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Be careful about moaning about fan boys looking around this forum lately i have come across many of your post, and you seem to be of the opinion that the rafale has no faults and it is by far the best thing in the world. perhaps you may benefit from taking a step back and consider the facts,( and by facts i don’t mean French magazines stating that the rafale is better, or theory’s that one done better in a competition 4 years ago, or that there was exercise and the rafale won 20-1 ) you will realise that both planes have their strengths and weaknesses. And people are stating that the rafales radar is smaller because it is visibly obvious to anybody looking though non bias eyes that the nose of the rafale is considerably smaller than Eurofighter

eurofighter will win this one full stop.

You were the one who suggested that chinas ships are crap, citing ships built 20 years ago. The onus is on you to mention sources that indicate that recent chinese ships are as bad as they were once.

The fact that theres been no major complaints about chinese built ships is something, isn it? but i guess that its convinient to you to ignore it.

You cant establish a reputation based on ships built 20 years ago. Get real man

I disagree with your logic good sir! Jonesy has stated that Chinese ship building was poor, and stated several cases in which to prove this to you.

Now you have said that this is no longer the case so it is your prerogative to prove your point? But as of yet you have provided no evidence to support this.

And in fact reputation should only be based on what has happened in the past in fact that is pretty much the definition of reputation. As proven below

Rep•u•ta•tion 
[rep-yuh-tey-shuhn]

–noun

1. a favourable and publicly recognized name or standing for merit, achievement, reliability, etc.: to build up a reputation.

Now to change a reputation takes time chiniese ship building may have got much better or may have stayed the same as its old reputation suggest but until evidence comes out to support your claim, the reputation will remain the same.

Wasn’t having no AEW a major issue during the Falkland’s, resulting in the loss of several ships? To combat this they hashed together a helicopter version because there was no viable fixed winged aircraft capable of operating off illustrious class, my point being that the illustrious class were not fleet carriers either. Surely we should not forget lessons that have been learnt in the past? Granted the CVF will probably get a helicopter AEW but when it will be capable of operating a more capable platform surely this should be done?

Just out of curiosity how much life has the RAF’s E-3 got left in them?

That’s what BAE wanted us to believe until actual exercices took place. Now we now, that it was pure BS and that Rafale is, in fact, more than a match for any Typhoon both in BVR and WVR.

In 4 years of service the typhoon never managed to prove any significant A2A superiority over the Rafale despite behing flew by pilots training for A2A missions only while Rafale Pilots trained mainly for A2G missions (due to Afghanistan and nuclear deterence duties).

It is not that the Typhoon is not as good as expected in A2A, it is because the Rafale was vastly underestimated (on purpose ?) by its competitors.

Better ask yourself why the Rafale have always been ranked above the Typhoon when both aircrafts were evaluated on a technical basis only.

If we listen to the last MMRCA rumors, the Rafale is – again – ranked obove the Typhoon after the IAF trials.

To be honest with you i have never seen these technical evaluation results you refer to, do have you got a link to these? People seem to be misunderstanding me i have not got an issue with the Rafale being a better plane. I just refuse to accept a couple of seemingly very biased articles be stone cold truth of this fact. In time more reliable and impartial information will be reveiled which will confirm or deny what people on here state but at the moment we just don’t know, and as I stated for me those articles are not valid proof for me!