victor45meteor tailplane
again im most grateful for ALL the responses to this thread, i may have been awry by stating eject as opposed to bale out however i had been in conversation with an ex meteor pilot some time previous and he wasnt a fan of the aircraft or the then ejector seats as he had witnessed a few failiures of these units and was unhappy with them at that time. comments?:cool:
victor45Ummm.
I suspect you mean ‘bale out’ rather than ‘eject’. Early Meteors were probably ‘interesting’ to escape from due to the tail, wing and engines, but about the only think you could be certain of with the early Martin Baker seats fitted was you’d clear the tail.
And source(s) or references for your remark?
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/project/YEAR_Pages/1954.htm
A glance through shows ejecting from a Meteor was relatively successful.
I was recently privilaged to meet Mr Guthrie at Temora:
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/project/YEAR_Pages/1951.htm
How he was treated afterwards wasn’t so straightforward.
And the 😎 symbols aren’t always required. Death and maiming isn’t 😎 .
Some excellent questions so far Victor – a bit more care and thought prior to posting would make them a lot more interesting, IMHO. Yes, I’m old and grumpy, but that took years of effort, otherwise I’d be sunny and emptyheaded. 😉
Regards,
possible(possible) mis choice of posting symbol,otherwise im happy ,:) 🙂 🙂 🙂
as for sunny and empty headed, isnt that RAFMs domain ?
victor45Ummm.
I suspect you mean ‘bale out’ rather than ‘eject’. Early Meteors were probably ‘interesting’ to escape from due to the tail, wing and engines, but about the only think you could be certain of with the early Martin Baker seats fitted was you’d clear the tail.
And source(s) or references for your remark?
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/project/YEAR_Pages/1954.htm
A glance through shows ejecting from a Meteor was relatively successful.
I was recently privilaged to meet Mr Guthrie at Temora:
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/project/YEAR_Pages/1951.htm
How he was treated afterwards wasn’t so straightforward.
And the 😎 symbols aren’t always required. Death and maiming isn’t 😎 .
Some excellent questions so far Victor – a bit more care and thought prior to posting would make them a lot more interesting, IMHO. Yes, I’m old and grumpy, but that took years of effort, otherwise I’d be sunny and emptyheaded. 😉
Regards,
possible(possible) mis choice of posting symbol,otherwise im happy ,:) 🙂 🙂 🙂
victor451) And to do what? Order Alonso to come to the pit earlier? How would that have changed anything? Remember than Alonsos laptimes started to lag only few rounds before the lapstop.
2) When Mclaren read the conmuterlog from the car after the race, they discovered that Hamlinton had pressed the engineshotdown button (or something similar) by himself…propaply pressing all the switches in panic after his spin. The car didn’t stop but the cars computer required time to recover and the gearbox wasen’t operational for short while. Hamlinton admitted this by himself also.
3) Mclaren and Ferrari had been quite equal for the whole season, almoust in turns one was bit ahead the other and in next race all was upside down and the team that wasen’t so fast last time was now the fastest. In the last race Mclaren just weren’t that fast.
If Mclaren would have been considerable more conpetitive in the rest of the season races, then why Kimi with ferrari had more wins than Alonso or Hamlinton?These conspiracy theories are just sore looser talks, and quite pitifull.
You brittons just have to face it that you guys might have ruled the world once and ect. but when it comes to driving cars fast, there is only one country worth of mention:dev2: :dev2: 😉
youve heard the addage”one born every minute” welcome !and its not a conspiracy inference,just a true picture of what occured the boy was overwhelmed by politics and a team so coruppt it defies description ,just face facts motor racing is a big rip off nothing is natural and acheived by driving talent,how can it be when computers control every move and action the car performs ,its wide open to hacking .:mad:
victor451) And to do what? Order Alonso to come to the pit earlier? How would that have changed anything? Remember than Alonsos laptimes started to lag only few rounds before the lapstop.
2) When Mclaren read the conmuterlog from the car after the race, they discovered that Hamlinton had pressed the engineshotdown button (or something similar) by himself…propaply pressing all the switches in panic after his spin. The car didn’t stop but the cars computer required time to recover and the gearbox wasen’t operational for short while. Hamlinton admitted this by himself also.
3) Mclaren and Ferrari had been quite equal for the whole season, almoust in turns one was bit ahead the other and in next race all was upside down and the team that wasen’t so fast last time was now the fastest. In the last race Mclaren just weren’t that fast.
If Mclaren would have been considerable more conpetitive in the rest of the season races, then why Kimi with ferrari had more wins than Alonso or Hamlinton?These conspiracy theories are just sore looser talks, and quite pitifull.
You brittons just have to face it that you guys might have ruled the world once and ect. but when it comes to driving cars fast, there is only one country worth of mention:dev2: :dev2: 😉
youve heard the addage”one born every minute” welcome !and its not a conspiracy inference,just a true picture of what occured the boy was overwhelmed by politics and a team so coruppt it defies description ,just face facts motor racing is a big rip off nothing is natural and acheived by driving talent,how can it be when computers control every move and action the car performs ,its wide open to hacking .:mad:
victor451) And to do what? Order Alonso to come to the pit earlier? How would that have changed anything? Remember than Alonsos laptimes started to lag only few rounds before the lapstop.
2) When Mclaren read the conmuterlog from the car after the race, they discovered that Hamlinton had pressed the engineshotdown button (or something similar) by himself…propaply pressing all the switches in panic after his spin. The car didn’t stop but the cars computer required time to recover and the gearbox wasen’t operational for short while. Hamlinton admitted this by himself also.
3) Mclaren and Ferrari had been quite equal for the whole season, almoust in turns one was bit ahead the other and in next race all was upside down and the team that wasen’t so fast last time was now the fastest. In the last race Mclaren just weren’t that fast.
If Mclaren would have been considerable more conpetitive in the rest of the season races, then why Kimi with ferrari had more wins than Alonso or Hamlinton?These conspiracy theories are just sore looser talks, and quite pitifull.
You brittons just have to face it that you guys might have ruled the world once and ect. but when it comes to driving cars fast, there is only one country worth of mention:dev2: :dev2: 😉
youve heard the addage”one born every minute” welcome !and its not a conspiracy inference,just a true picture of what occured the boy was overwhelmed by politics and a team so coruppt it defies description ,just face facts motor racing is a big rip off nothing is natural and acheived by driving talent,how can it be when computers cotrol every move and action the car performs ,its wide open to hacking .:mad:
victor451) And to do what? Order Alonso to come to the pit earlier? How would that have changed anything? Remember than Alonsos laptimes started to lag only few rounds before the lapstop.
2) When Mclaren read the conmuterlog from the car after the race, they discovered that Hamlinton had pressed the engineshotdown button (or something similar) by himself…propaply pressing all the switches in panic after his spin. The car didn’t stop but the cars computer required time to recover and the gearbox wasen’t operational for short while. Hamlinton admitted this by himself also.
3) Mclaren and Ferrari had been quite equal for the whole season, almoust in turns one was bit ahead the other and in next race all was upside down and the team that wasen’t so fast last time was now the fastest. In the last race Mclaren just weren’t that fast.
If Mclaren would have been considerable more conpetitive in the rest of the season races, then why Kimi with ferrari had more wins than Alonso or Hamlinton?These conspiracy theories are just sore looser talks, and quite pitifull.
You brittons just have to face it that you guys might have ruled the world once and ect. but when it comes to driving cars fast, there is only one country worth of mention:dev2: :dev2: 😉
youve heard the addage”one born every minute” welcome !and its not a conspiracy inference,just a true picture of what occured the boy was overwhelmed by politics and a team so coruppt it defies description ,just face facts motor racing is a big rip off nothing is natural and acheived by driving talent,how can it be when computers cotrol every move and action the car performs ,its wide open to hacking .:mad:
victor45fender strat
the greatest guitarist of all time .well its the one who survived the sixties,seventies and eighties, rehab, divorces,and “chirpy chirpy cheep cheep”,not forgetting the skoda octavia mk 1,seriously for me its between scott gorman,robin trower, django reinhart,clapton,and judd proctor,greatest drummer,? has to be hal blaine agree? 😎 😎 😎
victor45fender strat
the greatest guitarist of all time .well its the one who survived the sixties,seventies and eighties, rehab, divorces,and “chirpy chirpy cheep cheep”,not forgetting the skoda octavia mk 1,seriously for me its between scott gorman,robin trower, django reinhart,clapton,and judd proctor,greatest drummer,? has to be hal blaine agree? 😎 😎 😎
victor45Design Icons….
Surely a Mini and E-Type (and possibly a DB 5) must be on a list of UK design icons….
BTW: Nice job in naming the 58 Chevy instead of the 57…the 57 is so over exposed, it’s ceased being an icon and slipped into cliche territory.
And to keep up the auto list, I’d suggest a 1961 Lincoln 4-door convertible, and the Raymond Lowey designed 1963 Studebaker Avanti.
Not to mention the Tatra, Citroen DS series, the Porsche 356 and early 911s, late 20’s Bentleys, the Cord 810/812….I could go onFor aircraft I’d also include the SR-71, and F-86, the Hunter, T-33, F-104, B-58, (pure 50s “jet design”:D ) and the Bell 47G helicopter…there was one hanging in the New York Museum of Modern Art for years…
And finally, the humble Coke bottle. Known the world over and used to describe anything with a pinched (or area ruled) waist.
ride on brother ride on ,:cool: 😎 😎 😎 😎
victor45Design Icons….
Surely a Mini and E-Type (and possibly a DB 5) must be on a list of UK design icons….
BTW: Nice job in naming the 58 Chevy instead of the 57…the 57 is so over exposed, it’s ceased being an icon and slipped into cliche territory.
And to keep up the auto list, I’d suggest a 1961 Lincoln 4-door convertible, and the Raymond Lowey designed 1963 Studebaker Avanti.
Not to mention the Tatra, Citroen DS series, the Porsche 356 and early 911s, late 20’s Bentleys, the Cord 810/812….I could go onFor aircraft I’d also include the SR-71, and F-86, the Hunter, T-33, F-104, B-58, (pure 50s “jet design”:D ) and the Bell 47G helicopter…there was one hanging in the New York Museum of Modern Art for years…
And finally, the humble Coke bottle. Known the world over and used to describe anything with a pinched (or area ruled) waist.
ride on brother ride on ,:cool: 😎 😎 😎 😎
victor45What is your point here ?
read the thread ingest etc:) :confused: 🙂
victor45What is your point here ?
read the thread ingest etc:) :confused: 🙂
victor45It is no accident that the Merlin has been the most successful Liquid cooled inline engine used in post war racing. By the end of its development it was as bullet proof as current technology could make it. Part of how the Merlin got to this position can be explained by the excellent supercharging and associated parts of the intake system that all work together to take advantage of the supercharger. Having provided the means of producing more power the mechanical engineers rigorously strengthened every component. This is the essence of how the engine became so strong. Of course it did not happen all at once.
Much myth surrounds the German fuel injection, but most people don’t understand how it worked or that it bore more relationship to a diesel engine fuel system than any modern type fuel injection system that all inject into the intake of the engine. The system used by Germany during the war on their large aero engines was a metered direct into the cylinder injection system. It suffered at times from poor atomisation and this lead to detonation and lower power levels. As boost pressures rose, these problems became more difficult to resolve.
The humble carburettor on the other hand worked by the low pressure on the intake drawing fuel into the engine. It was soon realised that the traditional float chamber type had some serious drawbacks in combat, but it had better mixture control and atomisation as the supercharger added agitation. The injection carburettor replaced the more traditional type and overcame the operational issues.
Again as boost pressure rose and 2 stage superchargers were used the process of injecting the fuel into the eye of the supercharger could lower the air/fuel change significantly lowering the detonation level and allowing more power to be produced. This was the very effect that MW50 had.
interesting information many thanks for posting it
regards vic
victor45It’s a nice idea, the thought of hundreds of people or groups doing there own little bit and then bringing it together, I’m sure it would do a lot strengthening the ties between everyone within our area of interest. Unfortunately I’m with Bruce on this regards practicalities, if you were to look at something like the organisation that kept all the companies feeding into the Mosquito construction run to time, budget and specification (which I’m sure Bruce knows far more about than I) I doubt it could be done in a voluntary way. Of course if we took the hypothetical Siskin its not like trying to rebuild a Vulcan, so I wouldn’t say never…
Speaking as a Hendon nmpty (:mad: grrr!), RAFM does do its own work – the Sopwith Dolphin is a prime example of some beautiful work. However where work has gone external I don’t recall multiple contractors being used, which of course keeps project management much more simple…even then we’re not that flush for funds:(
hendon numpty well if the cap fits!!!!!
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