I’m reminded that the USAAF also had a Bf109 in a very similar colour scheme
Water conditions combined with original build and paint specification obviously play a part in the preservation process.
Anerobic fresh water is ideal – look at the Loch Ness wellington
Interesting, you can see form the B+W pic why Sally might be thought of as grey or natural metal (I modelled her that way about 20 years ago)
Hi All,
Cebro,
Many thanks for that video.:eagerness: Here’s the stupid question of the day here, could that Halifax have been restored to flight if the money was available at the time or is that a fantasy question ? My own opinion is that W1048 would have been better preserved in a fully restored state rather than how she is at the moment, having said that was the money available at the time ? and did this influence the RAF Museums final derision on what state she should be in ?…….:confused:Geoff.
There’s nothing you can’t do with enough money, as various Spitfire and Hurricane ‘rebuilds’ have shown. How much of the original W1048 would have been left is questionable. Availability of drawings and engines would have been the main factor, assuming sufficient resources.
Restored to a proper static condition would have been much morerelevant, but the RAFM has never been flush with resources
Burmese Spitfires?
Or Lincolnshire Lancasters
Following an FoI request to the RAFM, summary minutes of the Acquisitions and Disposals Committe are now available on the website, as per the FoI Publication Scheme. The following minutes are relevant – and also interesting for other reasons.
Very interesting, especially the Havoc line, as Pacific Wrecks site says they traded Big Nig to the UK for A Spitfire. http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/a-20/43-9436.html
I’ll bet that Dave F68 who is an extremely intelligent and knowledgeable young man regrets originating this thread.
He was simply quoting news from a reputable paper with the comment that it would be nice if some more of the aviation artifacts that went missing when the contents of a major Berlin museum were sent to Poland for storage away from Allied bombing. Many of the fuselages but not the wings did turn up I believe in a railway siding (Me 109R, Roland, Halberstadt, Udet’s Curtiss etc) and can now be seen, some restored in Kracow (Google it).
Thanks John, I’ll especially take the ‘young’ (as I rapidly approach my half century!). Regret no, not a little bemusement and amusement in equal measure though!
IIRC one of the ‘rumours’ of the UK buired aircraft myths are old airframes (or was it tanks?) buried in an old railway tunnel that was then sealed and the end cuttings filled in? In fact I think every country has it’s buried aircraft legend (e.g. http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/67033079/auckland-underground-missing-planes-mystery-in-north-head-bunkers.html)
As Bruce says, I suspect we’ll see Spits flying in formation over Rangoon (or maybe the Egyptian P-40 at Hendon!) before we see a gold train in Poland, but reading this has been fun after a dreadful aviation weekend
Maybe even perhaps the Polish Aviation Museum will be able to put the right wings on Udet’s Curtiss Hawk!
Even so, how on Earth do you hide a train for 70 years???
From what i read, it’s alleged to be buried (Possibly in an unmapped tunnel)
The Comet 2E pic is a treat!
I still don’t really understand why coloured is unexceptable I don’t remember it ever being used in a derogatory sense on its own only in conjunction with other words like “no” and “here”.
The objection to it derives from it’s use in Apartheid South Africa where it was used to designate people of mixed ethnicity.
That and the fact that everyone is coloured
Quite right Graham – I misremembered, it was a painting of the Army A-4 concept. It was an old desk model of the Harrier in those markings I saw.
From memory, the desk model was a kestrel in Army markings (But I’d need to check) – made at the time of the TES evaluation.
One of the more interesting/strangest reported interests was from japan, who apparently were interested in the T10 for the Maritime Self Defence Force. Can’t remember the reason for the interest, but it was specifically the two seater and specifically the more operationally capable British version. They were also reportedly interested in the AV-8B+ at a different time.
BAE were also hopeful of a Sea Harrier sale to Australia after they ‘bought’ Invincible
The Middle East was seen as a strong sales potential, replacing Hunters. The sales effort was knocked when G-VTOL crashed due to brown-out in a dust cloud of her own making.
The Chinese interest was strong, they were looking for a land-based Sea Harrier variant for the Russian border. Inflation and various other issues killed that one, although post-Falklands their rep apparently said if they’d known it was that good they’d have spent the money.
Both Chile and Zimbabwe were seen as potential candidates for ex-RAF GR3s.
Both France and Italy looked at Sea Harriers at one point, Italy going for AV-8B+, France updating their SUE ad F-8s
One of the Harrier books had a good chapter on the sales effort and the potential for each sales prospect
Difference between a classic car and a classic aeroplane – it’s a lot easier to get a driving licence than to get qualified for a Lancaster or Spitfire