Is there a list available on line of all the airframes lost in that event?
Nobody nipped down to find out what’s there?
My gues s- Hercules forward fuselage, based on nothing other than a hunch!
I have seen reference to gas detecting paint being available in (some) camouflage colours, and didn’t the FAA Museum find a GD patch on KD431?
There have been claims the strangely shaped panels seen on 1437 Strategic Recce Flight A-36s was gas detecting paint.
No-one can say that NASM rush their restorations/conservations!
It does sound like this is more like what the FAA Museum did with their Corsair than NASM did with, say, the AR234.
And Silver Hill still has so many treasures – including a Tarpon!
No-one can say that NASM rush their restorations/conservations!
It does sound like this is more like what the FAA Museum did with their Corsair than NASM did with, say, the AR234.
And Silver Hill still has so many treasures – including a Tarpon!
Don’t forget in terms of design, the Viggen was a product of the late 50s/early 60s, with the design being finalised about 1964, so it’s not too far ahead of the F-4 in terms of generation, albeit to a different design brief.
When you look at that, you can see why the F-16 won the ‘Sale of The Century’ F-104 replacement, but just imagine if the Viggen had – Norway, Holland, Belgium and Denmark all operating Saab 37s!!
I must have seen a Viggen flying as I have the photographs to prove it, I just don’t recall it!!:diablo:
It is a great pity that the remaining airrcraft from the Arnold collection are hidden away but Doug Arnold did seem to be renowned for the reclusive nature of his aircraft.
He’d have hated the internet!
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Incidentally, the Shuttleworth aircraft also flew with a Replica Plans 7/8th scale version a looooong time ago, too.
There is a scale one that usually appears at Scottish Airshows, a lovely example.
Cheers James,
It was just a general query, although it was sparked by a particular image I have seen in two different places credited to different people / institutions.
It all makes a bit more sense now…
Brings in a third element – accredittation – many people collect or obtain images without neccessarily having copyright, they then pass these of to others to use and are creditted (Sometimes as ‘DAF Collection’, ‘via DAF’, ‘Crown Copyright via DAF’ as well as just ‘DAF’ Doesn’t mean they own the copyright, it usually just indicated where the author has obtained the image from.
My name has appeared in a couple of books under just those circumstances!
What ? I always thought Red 10 was fully qualified and armed with a spare aircraft. :rolleyes:
Red 10 (Road Manager) deploys as an airborne spare, but he/she isn’t trained in the routines – there just wouldn’t be time to perfect the displays then have someone else who could potentially fly in any slot, or to have people trained in ‘other’ slots.
From the RA FAQ:
What happens if one of the pilots is unable to fly?
If one of the pilots goes sick during the display season, or for any other reason is not able to fly, the Team is able to fly an eight-ship formation. There are no reserve pilots for safety reasons; one spare pilot could not possibly learn all nine positions to the standard required. The pilots always fly in the same position within the formation and it takes an intensive six-month training programme for each pilot to become thoroughly proficient at flying in his position. If the Team fly with one aircraft missing, the Team Leader will adjust the positions of the other pilots to achieve the most pleasing visual effect. Various ‘missing men’ formations are routinely practised during the winter training season.
Whether or not they do any this year is up to them I guess.
Probably the most directly comparable would be the Mig-23 – similar generation, roles etc and a diferent approach to the same problems.
As a Western equivalent, the Mirage F1 is an interesting comparator.
Good news even if no time on the ground.
I am hoping the Reds are back in the air again by Sept. 10th as well.
At present the Hawk T1s (all 170 of them) are grounded.
I suspect we have a lot less than 170 operational Hawk T1s…
At least 28 have been written off, and a fair old % are in storage
Couple of points to add. (UK Law)
– Even if a photo is out of copyright, if it is published in a book/magazine etc it becomes copyrighted in the format it is published in (i.e. in it’s presentation in that book)
– The law relating to what might be called ‘Fair Dealing’ has changed (in the Uk at least) in recent years.
– Criminal Infringement (The one I know most about!) – originally introduced in the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 S.107, and relates to someoen in the course of his business infringing certain types of copyrights. Note that this section requires that the person knows he is breaching copyright.
The IPO is always a good source for the up to date situation:
“Names with Wings” is a fascinating book, and my source as well – I just didn’t have it to hand when posting!
As NATO forces have no doubt subjected the major Libyan air force facilities, such as Gamal Abdul El Nasser Air Base, to attack in recent months, let’s hope that the B-24 has survived unscathed.
Well the US did bomb the Iraqi Air Force Museum…..