roscoriaInteresting,but whats traditional values,i was born in the sixties dad worked shifts ,mum also worked at the age of 10 i had a house key and picked my younger brother up from school ,started tea and lit the coal fire for the return of mum at early evening.
As for reversing roles, if the memsaab earned the same as me, i would readily swap roles, looking after the kids and doing the house work, a job which i think is more suited to a man.
Wasent the wind-rush days in the fifties and sixties? when people from Asia and the caribbean were invited to come and live and work ,here wasn’t that a baby boom era too?
I assume you are a resident of this country, or probably not. But there used to be a traditional way of life here, mum and dad were in fashion in those days. Very few single parent families, and divorce was not easy. Because we now live in this so called age of liberation, it’s created more problems than it solved.
I am not saying things in the 60s were perfect, but society was more stable.
I guess if you were tempted to have a relationship with someone outside of marriage then, you kept it a secret, and kept the family unit together.
Not so now sadly, divorce is easy, and this has a damaging effect on the kids.
Marriage isn’t a perfect solution for relationships, but it does create stability and security.
Yes the fifties and sixties was the time, when people came from other countries, they were needed to boost the population after the war.
Yes that’s right, life was much harder then, and the family cemented it all together.
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roscoriaWomens lib and family life .
Right then, now for a hard hitting subject, that’s made men into wimps. Back in the 60s, men were men and ladies were ladies. This meant the lady of the house would stay at home and look after the kids and other general house stuff. The men would go to work, looking after that side of things. However some mothers did have part time jobs, so they could get out of the house, and earn some money.
Now that situation has changed, and in my opinion not to the benefit of ladies or men. These days ladies are more like men used to be, and vice versa. Womens liberation has destroyed the family life we once had, less children have been born to the indigenous population. In fact the shortfall of children is so serious, the only way to reverse this trend is to invite people from other countries to come here and work.
So much for womens liberation, it’s left us all in a mess.
These days there are many single women without a man in their lives. So much for family life, in the 21st century. Thanks to womens lib, there are now more lonely people in this country than ever before.
Fortunately, there are still some communities that have kept this ideal family way of life, such as the Asian community. They don’t seem to be doing to bad, from keeping traditional family values.
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roscoriaWomens lib and family life .
Right then, now for a hard hitting subject, that’s made men into wimps. Back in the 60s, men were men and ladies were ladies. This meant the lady of the house would stay at home and look after the kids and other general house stuff. The men would go to work, looking after that side of things. However some mothers did have part time jobs, so they could get out of the house, and earn some money.
Now that situation has changed, and in my opinion not to the benefit of ladies or men. These days ladies are more like men used to be, and vice versa. Womens liberation has destroyed the family life we once had, less children have been born to the indigenous population. In fact the shortfall of children is so serious, the only way to reverse this trend is to invite people from other countries to come here and work.
So much for womens liberation, it’s left us all in a mess.
These days there are many single women without a man in their lives. So much for family life, in the 21st century. Thanks to womens lib, there are now more lonely people in this country than ever before.
Fortunately, there are still some communities that have kept this ideal family way of life, such as the Asian community. They don’t seem to be doing to bad, from keeping traditional family values.
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roscoriaPlus ca change, plus c’est le meme chose, n’est ce pas? 😎
Spot on Grey Area, history repeats itself again and again.
What we are seeing is an evolutionary change in society, and there always has been change. However this time, the changes we are experiencing in the 21st century, have not come about before. This is a whole new ball game, a very dangerous one. The question is , will the human race survive this change, or will it bring about it’s own destruction ( in time ). Never before has mankind faced such a powerful technological change, will the computer become the controller of mankind
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roscoriaPlus ca change, plus c’est le meme chose, n’est ce pas? 😎
Spot on Grey Area, history repeats itself again and again.
What we are seeing is an evolutionary change in society, and there always has been change. However this time, the changes we are experiencing in the 21st century, have not come about before. This is a whole new ball game, a very dangerous one. The question is , will the human race survive this change, or will it bring about it’s own destruction ( in time ). Never before has mankind faced such a powerful technological change, will the computer become the controller of mankind
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roscoriaTime of change.
I am lucky to have seen over the last 30 years remarkable changes in consumer electronics. Having worked in a radio and tv shop, and then for the big tv rental company Granada. I have experienced the early reel to reel tape recorders, Radios, televisions, Hi Fi , VHS tape recorders, satellite receivers. Not many people can say that they had to repair this stuff in the good old days, and in peoples homes. Looking back on it all is pure nostalgia, and happy memories of a rapidly changing consumer market. Repairing things in those days was the norm, unlike our throwaway society today. No worries about being mugged, it just didn’t happen like it does now. Very few cameras in towns, or anywhere for that matter, a lot has changed in the last 30 years.
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roscoriaTime of change.
I am lucky to have seen over the last 30 years remarkable changes in consumer electronics. Having worked in a radio and tv shop, and then for the big tv rental company Granada. I have experienced the early reel to reel tape recorders, Radios, televisions, Hi Fi , VHS tape recorders, satellite receivers. Not many people can say that they had to repair this stuff in the good old days, and in peoples homes. Looking back on it all is pure nostalgia, and happy memories of a rapidly changing consumer market. Repairing things in those days was the norm, unlike our throwaway society today. No worries about being mugged, it just didn’t happen like it does now. Very few cameras in towns, or anywhere for that matter, a lot has changed in the last 30 years.
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roscoriaI think I am the only young person to express an opinion on this subject.
The highlighted text from your post roscoria is exactly what annoys me and the people I work with.
I am the vice-chairperson of my local youth parliament. Today ‘the older generation’, as we call it, along with the media, appear to portray all young as badly behaved. I agree, some young people are often badly behaved, but not all.
The media has a strong influence on people, and I believe this why shops are now concerned when a bunch of young people enter a shop, or when a person feels threatened by a young people paying around the streets. People think the usual – ‘yobs’. :rolleyes:
I and the organisation I am part of have recently launched a new project in which we are attempting to raise awareness of the issue. We are collecting articles from newspapers over a period of 6 months, which we are then going to pin up around the council chamber and show newspapers not all young people are like this. Hardly ever is the good side to young person shown in the media, mostly the bad e.g. robbery. Why is it that the youth parliament of my area can’t get anything published in papers locally? Simple – papers don’t want good news. Bad news sells papers and good news is boring. Please look in your paper and compare the amount of bad to good news. 🙁
I suggest you look to see if your council has a youth parliament, and if so, consider asking to visit it. You need to spend some time with young people and you will learn that they aren’t the way you think they are. Hopefully this will show you not all young people are badly behaved or don’t have social contact. We are a fantastic bunch of people and it really does show you if young people are presented with the opportunities they can achieve a lot.
Like you, I have great parents. They even gave up their home to move area to get me into a better school. They were even faced with court as they weren’t prepared to send me to a bad school. There are still a lot of supportive parents in modern day society.
I haven’t experienced ‘the good all days’ as you put it, but I find it hard to believe that society has changed for the bad.
Please, look at day to day life from a young person’s perspective. You will be surprised. 😉
Sorry to disagree with you, but things are much worse now than in the old days.
These days kids experience internet pornography, swearing on TV, Music that encourages bad behaviour, the only heroes that kids see these days are the bad ones, Sex on TV. Kids are also exposed to scenes of extreme violence from War zones. Shops sell extreme sexual media, so censorship has gone.
All this stuff was not available back in the 60s, so we didn’t have to experience it. Life now is a high tech Rat race, with bad influences thrown in.
Computer games are available that show violence and killing, and these are much more graphic, than the ones I new back in the 80s.
No discipline in schools, no respect for teachers,etc etc.
Britain now has an underclass unlike any in the past, so what is going to be done to stop the rot. You guessed it, NOTHING.
The human rights law, was the start of the rot, and it will continue to do us no favors.Agreed, not all youngsters are yobs and criminals, but there is a lot of Graffeti and vandalism where I live, it was never this bad in the old days.
There is now this American hood culture, which some young people like to follow. If only they could see how silly they are, and the error of their ways.
Yes you are right, ordinary people are scared of todays kids, can you blame them. The Hoods relish in this climate of fear, knowing they are protected by the human rights law. Asbos are a waste of time, what we need to stop the rot is good old fashioned discipline and responsibility. But the higher beings in government are so out of touch with ordinary people, they have no idea how to put things right.
Oh and don’t forget the booze and drug culture, who’s going to sort this out.
You guessed it, NO ONE.
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roscoriaI think I am the only young person to express an opinion on this subject.
The highlighted text from your post roscoria is exactly what annoys me and the people I work with.
I am the vice-chairperson of my local youth parliament. Today ‘the older generation’, as we call it, along with the media, appear to portray all young as badly behaved. I agree, some young people are often badly behaved, but not all.
The media has a strong influence on people, and I believe this why shops are now concerned when a bunch of young people enter a shop, or when a person feels threatened by a young people paying around the streets. People think the usual – ‘yobs’. :rolleyes:
I and the organisation I am part of have recently launched a new project in which we are attempting to raise awareness of the issue. We are collecting articles from newspapers over a period of 6 months, which we are then going to pin up around the council chamber and show newspapers not all young people are like this. Hardly ever is the good side to young person shown in the media, mostly the bad e.g. robbery. Why is it that the youth parliament of my area can’t get anything published in papers locally? Simple – papers don’t want good news. Bad news sells papers and good news is boring. Please look in your paper and compare the amount of bad to good news. 🙁
I suggest you look to see if your council has a youth parliament, and if so, consider asking to visit it. You need to spend some time with young people and you will learn that they aren’t the way you think they are. Hopefully this will show you not all young people are badly behaved or don’t have social contact. We are a fantastic bunch of people and it really does show you if young people are presented with the opportunities they can achieve a lot.
Like you, I have great parents. They even gave up their home to move area to get me into a better school. They were even faced with court as they weren’t prepared to send me to a bad school. There are still a lot of supportive parents in modern day society.
I haven’t experienced ‘the good all days’ as you put it, but I find it hard to believe that society has changed for the bad.
Please, look at day to day life from a young person’s perspective. You will be surprised. 😉
Sorry to disagree with you, but things are much worse now than in the old days.
These days kids experience internet pornography, swearing on TV, Music that encourages bad behaviour, the only heroes that kids see these days are the bad ones, Sex on TV. Kids are also exposed to scenes of extreme violence from War zones. Shops sell extreme sexual media, so censorship has gone.
All this stuff was not available back in the 60s, so we didn’t have to experience it. Life now is a high tech Rat race, with bad influences thrown in.
Computer games are available that show violence and killing, and these are much more graphic, than the ones I new back in the 80s.
No discipline in schools, no respect for teachers,etc etc.
Britain now has an underclass unlike any in the past, so what is going to be done to stop the rot. You guessed it, NOTHING.
The human rights law, was the start of the rot, and it will continue to do us no favors.Agreed, not all youngsters are yobs and criminals, but there is a lot of Graffeti and vandalism where I live, it was never this bad in the old days.
There is now this American hood culture, which some young people like to follow. If only they could see how silly they are, and the error of their ways.
Yes you are right, ordinary people are scared of todays kids, can you blame them. The Hoods relish in this climate of fear, knowing they are protected by the human rights law. Asbos are a waste of time, what we need to stop the rot is good old fashioned discipline and responsibility. But the higher beings in government are so out of touch with ordinary people, they have no idea how to put things right.
Oh and don’t forget the booze and drug culture, who’s going to sort this out.
You guessed it, NO ONE.
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roscoriaFair point, Steve.
However, it is undeniable that Stefan Kiszko ( http://www.users.bigpond.com/burnside/kiszko.htm ) would have been executed if the death penalty were in force in the UK at the time. The tragically young murder victim would be no less dead for the execution and, to add to the horror and futility of the original crime, an innocent man would have been hanged and the real murderer would still be at large and free to kill again.
Individual cases, however heart-rending, cannot realistically form the basis of law that affects a whole nation.
Grey Area has a point here, although I used to be one of the hang em brigade, I have changed my mind.
There will always be deranged people who will kill others, and that’s a fact of life. Anyone can become a killer, if the circumstances are right to do so. That’s the problem really, if you kill someone in self defence, which might happen, then you might face the death penalty, if it’s on the statute books.
There is no simple answer to this problem, but the best one must surely be, to lock them up for a long time. The present situation in Britain regarding the human rights law, will cause irreversible damage to our society, if it continues the way it is.
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roscoriaFair point, Steve.
However, it is undeniable that Stefan Kiszko ( http://www.users.bigpond.com/burnside/kiszko.htm ) would have been executed if the death penalty were in force in the UK at the time. The tragically young murder victim would be no less dead for the execution and, to add to the horror and futility of the original crime, an innocent man would have been hanged and the real murderer would still be at large and free to kill again.
Individual cases, however heart-rending, cannot realistically form the basis of law that affects a whole nation.
Grey Area has a point here, although I used to be one of the hang em brigade, I have changed my mind.
There will always be deranged people who will kill others, and that’s a fact of life. Anyone can become a killer, if the circumstances are right to do so. That’s the problem really, if you kill someone in self defence, which might happen, then you might face the death penalty, if it’s on the statute books.
There is no simple answer to this problem, but the best one must surely be, to lock them up for a long time. The present situation in Britain regarding the human rights law, will cause irreversible damage to our society, if it continues the way it is.
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roscoriaI’ll support the return of the death penalty when someone can show me a murder victim who came back from the dead on the execution of their murderer, or can demonstrate to me that a miscarriage of justice leading to the taking of an additional innocent life could never happen.
Having said that, life imprisonment should mean life imprisonment – with hard, productive, labour imposed to help defray the cost to the taxpayer.
Absolutely spot on Grey Area, at least if an innocent person was convicted of a murder that he or she did not commit, they would be still alive.
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roscoriaI’ll support the return of the death penalty when someone can show me a murder victim who came back from the dead on the execution of their murderer, or can demonstrate to me that a miscarriage of justice leading to the taking of an additional innocent life could never happen.
Having said that, life imprisonment should mean life imprisonment – with hard, productive, labour imposed to help defray the cost to the taxpayer.
Absolutely spot on Grey Area, at least if an innocent person was convicted of a murder that he or she did not commit, they would be still alive.
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roscoriaInteresting stories from Joey and Pete, yes life certainly was different then. I think technology has influenced the way we behave these days, it’s made us more independent,so we have lost that friendly social behaviour we once had.
My father, god bless him had a love of steam trains, and he loved to take me along to the local station to see the trains. You certainly new when a steam train was coming towards the station, the rails would start vibrating, then you would see the smoke. When it arrived the noise was incredible, with all that steam and breaking noise, and the smoke smell was something else. The carriages had slam shut doors, and the guard had a whistle which he blew when all was clear for the train to leave. Then came another thunderous noise as the steam pistons started to turn the wheels, which initially started to spin until there was enough momentum for the train to start moving. Loads of smoke , and steam and wow what an experience. When the train finally left the station peace returned, and all you could hear were the twittering birds.
Diesel trains eventually replaced those old steam trains, but my father didn’t take me to see them, I wonder why.:D :Oh I forgot to mention the trains steam whistle, quite an ear piercing sound.:D 😀
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roscoriaInteresting stories from Joey and Pete, yes life certainly was different then. I think technology has influenced the way we behave these days, it’s made us more independent,so we have lost that friendly social behaviour we once had.
My father, god bless him had a love of steam trains, and he loved to take me along to the local station to see the trains. You certainly new when a steam train was coming towards the station, the rails would start vibrating, then you would see the smoke. When it arrived the noise was incredible, with all that steam and breaking noise, and the smoke smell was something else. The carriages had slam shut doors, and the guard had a whistle which he blew when all was clear for the train to leave. Then came another thunderous noise as the steam pistons started to turn the wheels, which initially started to spin until there was enough momentum for the train to start moving. Loads of smoke , and steam and wow what an experience. When the train finally left the station peace returned, and all you could hear were the twittering birds.
Diesel trains eventually replaced those old steam trains, but my father didn’t take me to see them, I wonder why.:D :Oh I forgot to mention the trains steam whistle, quite an ear piercing sound.:D 😀
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