medal64Russian Fighter 5 th generation late at 6 years
Russia in the coming years and not get fighter 5 th generation (project-name T-50 PAK FA). This conclusion follows from the fact that the Russian Defense Ministry until 2015, will continue to purchase multi-fighter Su-35 – car of 4-th generation. Such in the next five years in service with the Russian Air Force will be 48 units.
This reveals an apparent contradiction with the words of Air Force Chief of Russia Alexander Zelina, delivered in December 2008, the emergence of our first fighter of the 5-th generation in 2009. For other data, it was to begin running in 2010, but this situation does not change. Despite a loud statement in the near future, your fighter 5-th generation, we do not see. Otherwise, why would continue producing “quadruples”?
Delay in the appearance of the aircraft 5 th generation “Pravda.Ru” asked to comment on the military experts.
“The adoption of the Su-35 to adopt the decision was too late – said in an interview with Pravde.Ru” Deputy Director of the Institute of Political and Military Studies, Alexander Hramchihin. – The number of aircraft have no value will not be because of its nullity. For such a huge defense of length of the country, like Russia, you need much more.
All the more so that by 2015 a significant number of available cruise we will develop a life of machines and will need something to replace, and 48 fighter aircraft for this is not enough.
On the other hand, the purchase of the aircraft 4 th generation means that by 2015 his fighter 5 th generation we have not seen. While the United States, little of what is already armed with a heavy fighter 5 th generation F -22, both in 2015 and still appears light fighter aircraft F -35. We have, at best, since 2015, will be only a heavy fighter.
In fact, our Ministry of Defense put the Su-35 adopted only for the purpose of PR campaigns that we have bought overseas. Indeed, as the international practice, it is better to sell something that was adopted by the producing country “, – considers Hramchihin.
Editor-in-Chief Military News Agency in an interview with Nicholas Novices’ Pravde.Ru also noted that up to 2015 anticipated the emergence of the Russian fighter 5 th generation is not accounted for.
“To adopt such an aircraft – he said,” requires a lot of time. Only in his run and the test will take six years. Meanwhile, more advanced version that had not even raised in the air.
The fact that so far we have relies on the Su-35, it is not surprising. This is within the previously published concept of the general director of company “Sukhoi” Mikhail Pogosyan that until you see the fighter 5 th generation export niche to be filled with cars “4 +” (a modernized version. – Ed).And 48 pieces of Su-35 – two aviation that are likely to focus on high priority areas – the expert believes.
Meanwhile in the United States are already testing the second instance a fighter 5 th generation – F-35, which by 2015 could occur in service. However, it is not without problems. This project is very expensive.United States led in the development of 11 countries. And now, some participants, like Australia, he refused. An obvious advantage of our fighter 5 th generation will be that it is an order of magnitude cheaper.
Already tested on-board equipment for fighter 5 th generation, has proved its value.In particular, in large part because these airborne stations during the training trials, our “Su” have shown themselves perfectly. Therefore, there is every reason to believe that our fighter 5 th generation will be no worse than foreign samples, – emphasized the Novices.
Remember that work on the fighter 5 th generation campaign is “dry”, together with India. Its developers promise that this will be the aircraft with high maneuverability, supersonic cruising speed, long-range and high protective properties, “- concluded the expert.
It should be noted that the development of the project thought for a long time: an agreement concluded in 2007, ie five years after the proposal made by Russia.Indians promised to invest in the development of five billion dollars, which for some reason not found here.Now, in the context of the global financial crisis, the emergence of the “Five” may be further away.
The fact that our fifth-generation aircraft can be better than the American – of course, a substantial argument.But, as the saying goes, good spoon for lunch.By the time the “five” appears in the armament of our army, the United States may take far forward in their development. Not whether we are late with their fighter 5 th generation? ..
Source: Site «Pravda.Ru»
Author: Sergei Balmasov
Published: 08.07.2009, 17:18
medal64In my opinion Japanese goverment shouldn’t get deeply downgraded, ultra expensive F-22 Raptors.Thats better to get F-35 and push for their own 5th gen. aircraft project.And also if Japan goverment doesn’t accept that price and if US officials doesn’t want to shut down the F-22 production line they need to sell the aircraft at a normal price!
medal64I hope Mr. Pogosyan doesn’t says at Maks-2009 “we plan the first flight of the pak-fa in mid 2010 or 2011” Than the pak-fa saga finishes for me:)Because after 2010 comes 2011 than 2012…..
medal64it wont fly this year ,for sure ,about next well see. and when it fly it will be liek freak ,engine of 117s SU-35 class ,no working radar ,stripped of everything. canseling mig 1.41,42,43,44,45. project set industry 10 years behind. remember pogo the drunk promised flight in 2007 ,at first. people have short memorieas. look at tjis thread its episode 8. and still no sign of fighter.
Do you have a reliable source about it won’t fly this.Or is it your guess?
medal64I think nothing is clear about when we can see it!! But there is one reality is that most of the officials in Russia confirmed that it will make the first flight in this year.I hope it doesn’t change and we can see it!
Its sure PAK-FA is a future project and they want to sell Su-35 at Maks 2009 like SSJ100 at Le Bourget. But a PAK-FA demonstration flight can show the world, the capacity of the Russian aircraft industry!!
medal64Smart aircraft
Duet and aviation electronics – avionics – the basis of airborne technology of XXI century.Nowadays, avionics, or, as it is called experts, “board” determines the shape of the entire aircraft. In Russia, aviation electronics for the best Russian aircraft designs Concern “Avionics” goskorporatsii “Rostehnologii.
The fact that even ten years ago seemed fiction today – a reality. In the sky take off two employees at a single goal of intelligence – the pilot and aircraft. Duet and aviation electronics – avionics – the basis of airborne technology of XXI century.
During the flight the man simply is not able to reorganize and respond to the huge amount of incoming information. When the pilot in the cockpit, he – as a single unit with a car cruise.Especially if it is – the combat fighter.
High in the sky the sun prevents the pilot to take the testimony of devices. New high-brightness LED display allows the pilot to easily see all the characters and purpose. “Pilot to bring weapons on the objective should be to see some signs, signals, symbols, but he should not lose information about the flight: roll, pitch. But here in one glass, he sees zakabinnoe space while on the background heaven sees all characters and signs, which are needed for piloting the plane, “- said Sergey Orlyatsky, a specialist in foreign economic relations” Ramenskoye instrument-making Design Bureau “.
Multifunction LCD indicators show how the engine is running, the map and purpose of the flight. On-board computers – the brain of the aircraft.They receive data from all systems: with air-pressure sensors, speed, altimeter.”This is a very accurate altimeter, which works on the principle of measuring the air pressure. We see only an indicator. The basis of this device is very accurate pressure sensor, which is closer to the board,” – continues Orlyatsky.
Receiver air-pressure mounted on all modern aircraft – at the bow and on the wing, where the most powerful free-stream air. From that, how accurate would be coming from the sensor data, is the decision and the behavior of aircraft pilots in the sky. Disclaimers probe – one of the causes of accidents and disasters.”With the type of simple device, but it made for a very complex technology. All over the world trying to make the receiver of the air pressure as clearly as possible and gently, because the distortion of the received pressure effect on all the navigation problems”, – underlines Yuri Petrov, head of department of JSC “Concern” Avionics “.
Nowadays, avionics, or, as it is called experts, “board” determines the shape of the entire aircraft. In Russia, aviation electronics for the best Russian aircraft designs Concern “Avionics” goskorporatsii “Rostehnologii.”The equipment for the new MiG-35, which is submitted for tender in India. This is Su-35, which we do for the domestic armed forces and some foreign countries,” – shows the technique Givi Janjgava, president of avionics.
Today, scientists and designers are working on e-filling for the fifth-generation aircraft. One of the main goals – to artificial intelligence, not only did the aircraft surveillance, maintain communication and navigation, but the organizers of air traffic.Of course, under the control of man.
Source: Site «Vesti.Ru»
Published: 28.06.2009, 20:03
medal64I’m sure MiG have been busy ‘developing’ multiple different designs (and probably Sukhoi too, and maybe Yakovlev never quite gave up on the Yak-43). The problem is that there’s absolutely no evidence that there is (nor logic for there to be) any money to ever make them a reality for the foreseeable future.
Im completely agree with you.And in my opinion Mig and Yak corporation doesn’t have advanced equipment to create a fifth gen. aircraft.Their production facilities (especially Mikoyan) needs modernisation and they need to get new equipments for creation of such aircrafts.But now UAC has preperations for integration Sukhoi and Mig corporation started with Pogosyan.But in my opinion it’s not a good desicion for the future.After sharing their intellectual sources and Mikoyan company gets stronger it happens better to leave them.At last years Sukhoi company got lots of money for the development of the 5th gen. aircraft and they learned too much from this aircraft about stealth,avionics and weapons…And its beneficial if they share their information.By this way in the future Im sure we can see an advanced light fifth gen. fighter too from Mig.Sure if they have enough money:)
medal64Space Shuttle/F-22 and «Buran» / PAK FA – which could be similar?
Going on these days at Le Bourget (France) 48 th International Aerospace Salon de Paris once again led to a surge of interest in a Russian fighter aircraft developed by the fifth-generation PAK FA (promising aviation complex tactical aviation). Interviews Chapter consortium «Dry» / MiG Mikhail Pogosyan state television «Russia» only give fuel to the fire.
There is still the subject of guesswork is the beginning of flight tests PAK FA, promised in December that year.There still is discordance. For example, on 17 June at a meeting of the state defense order, Deputy Defense Minister for Armaments Vladimir Popovkin announced that the Russian fifth generation fighter aircraft is practically ready, and in December it would begin flight testing. The completed production of the first fifth-generation aircraft, which will not be flying, and ground testing at the Summer Research Institute in Zhukovsky, Moscow Region. According to Ivanov, the test sample is tested for strength, static and other characteristics. «This will be done this year», – he said (these two statements are taken from tapes of Russian Information Agency).
So what will be – flying (Popovkin) or static (Ivanov) test? Judging by the fact that the first sample PAK FA (three in the assembly in Komsomolsk-on-Amur APO) has not yet brought them to Leah. Gromova, it could be the beginning of this year, namely, static tests. A feature of PAK FA from the Su-27 is the prototype of the aircraft are not manufactured at the pilot plant OKB im. Sukhoi in Moscow (it was built the first three test aircraft), and immediately to the serial plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
However, the move to interview Mikhail Pogosyan program «Vesti», which came on the air yesterday, June 18.
Judging from the very careful and ornate replies director of the consortium «Dry» / MIG (http://www.militaryparitet.com/teletype/data/ic_teletype/5539/), coming in August at the Moscow Aviation and the prototype of the aircraft cabin will not be displayed, as promised earlier. But do not anticipate – suddenly appears.
Very intriguing is the following statement Poghosian: «Well, in the perspective of the fifth generation already, and the establishment of unmanned vehicles.Of course, military aircraft are moving in the direction of creating such high-complexes, which solve different tasks simultaneously, and provide information for decision-making to those who governs them ».
Space Maybe this will seem absurd, but I immediately recalled the analogy between the development in the United States and the USSR reusable transport spacecraft – Space Shuttle Shuttle and «Buran». As you know, the first flight of an American ship was in 1981 with the crew on board. Sovetskiy «Buran» behind almost a decade and took off into space in 1988, but the unmanned mode.At that time, the Soviet press was a lot of rave reviews on the fly «Buran», namely the ability to perform automatic flight commands from Earth.Even wrote that the Soviet spacecraft were four blocks of electronic equipment, and the Americas – five, and that the Soviet Union in the best of industry to overcome the backlog of the West in the microelectronics and automated control systems, and finally something ahead.All Soviet newspapers vying gave enthusiastic expression second female cosmonaut, Hero of the Soviet Union Svetlana Savitskaya observed landing «Buran» runway at Baikonur Cosmodrome: «No pilot would not put« Buran »better!».
Is «Dry» decided to repeat this landmark event, and initially planned to equip the PAK FA unprecedented extensible electronic architecture, «Artificial intelligence» and advanced digital control system that will allow it to operate without the crew on board? In this case, after passing through a series of upgrades, PAK FA could become the world’s first unmanned fifth-generation fighter aircraft.And the long suffering http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2001/12/05/19873.html ). Aviation fans forgiven would be equally unprecedented delay in the establishment of PAK FA, it Pogosian in 2001 on the radio «Echo Moskvy» promised to raise the «five» in 2006-2007 (http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2001/ 12/05/19873.html).The Americans with their praise F -22 and F -35 has not yet made such attempts.
Leonid Nikolaev.
Source:http://www.militarypatritet.com
Date:20.06.2009
medal64Hope so!!!:) To see an advanced beautiful bird…
medal64Ok, that’s not too much important but just how the aircarft is looking like we wonder it:)
medal64There will be no PAKFA on this year MAKS show, sorry.
Are you the organiser or an official at sukhoi?How do you know it?
medal64Will it be an official presentation or are we going to get a single grainy photo of it taking off? (I’m secretly hoping for the latter)
In my opinion if it flies at the anniversary that happens an official presentation and just state tv channels takes video and photos and they share with the public!
medal64I hope we can see it in July and can get good pictures of the aircraft.And also I wonder the cockpit of the aircraft especially side control stick or central control stick…
medal64How do you know the date QuadroFX? Is there any news about it?
medal64By Russia’s own admission, it is 7-8 years behind the US in avionics developement/capability (you can bet that US avionics developers/manufacturers see the gap somewhat wider) & IIRC Pogosyan has admitted that the PAK-FA stealth is closer to that of the F-35 than the F-22.
Can you give the source about Pogosyan’s admitted similar PAK-FA – F-35 stealth capabilities and inferior than the F-22. It’s the first time I heard from you!It will be the Russians answer to the Raptor.Russian sources always says that no one characteristics of the PAK-FA will be inferior than its competitors and It will be the best.They always says that:)
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