OMG! All the relevant posts have moved to this thread, these mods are magicians!!

I’m going to sit back and watch this one. It could be entertaining!

If this turns out to be anything like the comments made in the other thread which we hijacked it WILL be entertaining!

The ‘Northern Ireland’ Thread

OK guys I was not going to start this thread initially as I thought the Northern Ireland debate was dying out anyway when the moderators decided to end the hijack of the Binyam Mohamed thread but seeing as there have been a few new posts and also my want to respond to an allegation of a breach of the Terrorism Act by me have led me to start this thread, don’t know if it will catch on for long but here goes:

To those opening this thread and wondering what is going on I refer you to the Binyam Mohamed thread which evolved into a heated discussion about ‘terrorism’ in Northern Ireland. The moderators eventually did what was needing done and expelled the evolved argument from the Binyam Mohamed thread and told me to start a new thread if I felt like it. So let me reply

EGPH thinks he is being extremely clever here.

If the following quote from the Terrorism Act 2006 is correct……

“For the purposes of this section the statements that are likely to be understood
by members of the public as indirectly encouraging the commission or
preparation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences include every
statement which—
glorifies the commission or preparation (whether in the past, in the
future or generally) of such acts or offences;”

Then EGPH is guilty of multiple contraventions of the Act in this thread. A few examples follow:

“At least the boys of the IRA have the balls to own up to Bloody Friday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Friday_(1972)) when are the animals that call themselves 1 Para going to own up to Bloody Sunday, I am waiting!!”

“Oh and Martin McGuinness is a great leader of Northern Ireland who I have a lot of respect for and I don’t hold his history against him either, same goes for Gerry Adams (who seems a jolly good chap) and Gerry Kelly! “

“No wonder the boys of the IRA did retaliate, if you can’t take it don’t dish it out!! Or at the very least show your foe respect by calling them “freedom fighters”

“I have respect for McGuinness, Kelly and Adams knowing just what they have got up to. So what I am trying to say is that I believe that sometimes circumstances will drive people to ‘terrorism’ though I wouldn’t call it that.”

“So I respect these men for having the bravery to stare the British army down when it needed done. I also honestly do not condone violence now due to there being a democratic parliament in place when Sinn Fein are working, though I strongly disagree with decommissioning of arms beyond use, that has already worked against Catholics in Northern Ireland in 1969 when Protestants attacked Catholics whilst the IRA had to look on unarmed.”

“Often the animals would intimidate people inside the house and laugh at them as they cowered in a corner. So if an IRA man then shot that soldier dead then good on the IRA!!”

“So if the IRA choose to plant a bomb in an area of military importance where the British Army like to hang out and it kills a few British servicemen, it serves them right!”

“So to conclude, I do not condone every attack the IRA carried out however any attack on the occupying British Army was perhaps justified.”

Here you are, blatantly glorifying the commission and preparation of acts of terrorism against the very country whose terrible abuse of human rights means that you, should you have the need, are entitled to benefits and a free health care system. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

The majority of civilians killed by the IRA were killed on the mainland. In places like Birmingham, London and Warrington. Over 600 of them. Many British soldiers killed by the IRA were not killed whilst on foot patrol in Belfast while ‘oppressing’ the civilian population, but were targeted like those in Hyde Park, or on buses, or a railway station in Lichfield simply because they were a soft target, often unarmed. The murders of Airey Neave and Lord Mountbatten, soft targets, targets who had previously fought to ensure the likes of the IRA had the ‘freedom’ to murder them.

Does someone who openly supports acts of terrorism really have a place here? Do they have a place in society? If the quote you made from the Terrorism Act is correct, perhaps you do not.

Regards,

kev35

The quote I gave of the Act was amended to make it easier to read but apart from that it is a direct quote from what the act says, only with numbers in brackets removed where they split a sentence.

The first two examples given, I fail to see how they are a breach of the act.

In the 3rd example, I believe it was said in the context of brutality by the British Army and I believe was taken out of context in the quote given above, I was talking about direct retaliation, almost self defence in a way.

In the 4th example it is borderline but simply saying that sometimes terror is justified. Five words: Nelson Mandela was a terrorist!!

In the 5th example I agree that my thoughts on decommissioning being a bad idea are particularly controversial but I should add that I agree with a ceasefire just that those weapons should still be there if they are needed to DEFEND the Catholic people of Northern Ireland.

In the 6th example, again I was talking about retaliation for brutal treatment of innocent civilians by the British army.

In the 7th example, it is out of context and seems a bit strange out of place, it was meant to be linked to my complaints about the British army torture.

The 8th example falls under the first two category, I fail to see the breach!

Here you are, blatantly glorifying the commission and preparation of acts of terrorism against the very country whose terrible abuse of human rights means that you, should you have the need, are entitled to benefits and a free health care system. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

If I live in a country that is responsible for torture and human rights abuses, I am in no way proud of my barbaric and inhumane nation and its history!! It is a bit like handing a deprived single mother say £200 a week that is the proceeds of child prostitution. Yes that single mother’s life is made better however behind that money is evil and sick practices!

Right guys! Attack away, I am waiting!!

There was a post condoning the shooting of a Catholic person walking towards an army barricade, armed or otherwise. I apologise if anything I have said has caused you offence or hurt!

Note to mods: this really has to be renamed, the Ireland thread :p

In reply to Bmused’s long argument there: He brings up a lot of good points, yes the IRA did kill innocent civilians and did kill a man’s family if said man did not carry out an attack for them. I have spoken with a man in his 30’s who watched his father be shot dead by the IRA when he was only 5 years of age, he was shot whilst getting into his car to go to work. The IRA said his death was justified because he worked for an IT firm that co-operated with the RUC. So yes the IRA did do some awful things, though in an organisation of that size, there will always be the odd renegade! That does not mean that the bulk of the IRA were sure about who their targets were, police officers and army personnel, yes these men and women have families but so do the IRA men who were shot by the occupying forces!

You bring up the example of republican youths attacking the British army after the army was sent in to protect them. This is a very contested issue as some have suggested that the army changed from protectors of the Catholics to aggressors first, it just depends which book you read, some say the Catholics started the conflicts and say books say the army began it. Though from 1971 the British army were barging into nearly every house on the Falls Road looking for IRA and even if they found nothing there was no apology or compensation for the damage caused. Often the animals would intimidate people inside the house and laugh at them as they cowered in a corner. So if an IRA man then shot that soldier dead then good on the IRA!!

The list of names I presented were all names of people shot dead on Bloody Sunday, all were unarmed and most if not all were not antagonising the army at the time. There are many cases that day were the army said a man was seen carrying a weapon when there was nothing found on the person and a few were also shot in the back. So if the IRA choose to plant a bomb in an area of military importance where the British Army like to hang out and it kills a few British servicemen, it serves them right! War is not pretty and people get hurt!!

So to conclude, I do not condone every attack the IRA carried out however any attack on the occupying British Army was perhaps justified. Killing innocent civilians, if it can be avoided is not something I would ever condone!

More worried you’ll get ripped apart more than you have already. 😉

I don’t feel ripped apart! I often have debates far more heated than this with loyalists in Northern Ireland and then go down the nearest neutral pub for a Guinness with them afterwards, I am used to debating the rights and wrongs of Northern Irish politics!!

I’m really not convinced that’s a good idea. :rolleyes: 😉

Scared I’ll win! ;):p

Of course you can because those are part of the Republic of Ireland and represent a minority opinion within the Republic. Just as Sinn Fein represents a minority opinion within Northern Ireland.

Sinn Fein only represents a minority opinion in Northern Ireland because the British statesmen in 1921 made bloody sure of it by drawing up a completely new state that did not respect any old historic borders. Also the majority in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal wish a united Ireland, something that is the MAJORITY opinion in the Republic.

I am seriously thinking we should start a thread entitled “Let’s quiz EGPH about his Northern Irish views?” and not hijack Binyam Mohamed’s thread!! :p