Yes, SOLD OUT, in case you misunderstood. And thank goodness, for the majority of Ulstermen, there will not be a united Ireland. That’s about all IRA/Sinn Fein didn’t get out of it.

I hope you are counting the residents of Monaghan, Cavan and Donegal as ‘Ulstermen’ because they are also Ulstermen. Therefore the majority of Ulstermen/women are pro-united Ireland free from British rule! Northern Ireland is an artificial state created in 1921 to serve British interests. So remember that you cannot talk about ‘Ulster’ without talking about Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal!

Come on EGPH. Think about your argument.

“So I respect these men for having the bravery to stare the British army down when it needed done.”

How about the 600 odd British civilian dead? They obviously count for nought in your world view. Birmingham pub bombings, Enniskillen, Warrington. how was any of that staring the British Army down? Killing a child in Warrington High Street isn’t terrorism?

Bravery isn’t hiding in back alleys and planting bombs indiscriminately to kill anyone passing by. It is the act of a cowardly murderer.

Regards,

kev35

John (Jackie) Duddy (17).

Patrick Joseph Doherty (31).

Bernard McGuigan (41).

Hugh Pious Gilmour (17).

Kevin McElhinney (17).

Michael G. Kelly (17).

William Noel Nash (19).

Michael M. McDaid (20).

James Joseph Wray (22).

Gerald Donaghy (17).

Gerald (James) McKinney (34).

William A. McKinney (27).

John Johnston (59).

All shot dead by the British Army with no apology! Sometimes innocent people die in war, think Dresden, also the British forces!. About WW2 and Ireland: Of course the Irish killed no one in WW2, Eamonn de Valera said “as long as there are no German boots on Ireland, it ain’t our war to fight”

So yes people do get killed in war

Grey Area,

I do apologise if I have believed the mods on this forum to be less fair than they really are and none of my comments were meant as an attack on any of the mods on this forum. I simply believed that any comments which appeared to condone ‘terrorism’ would lead to some sort of CoC breach, after actually reading the CoC (totally not for the first time!:o) I could find no particular part of it that bans condoning terror however in my defence can I quote a piece of legislation:

Terrorism Act 2006

(1) A person commits an offence if—
he publishes a statement or causes another to publish a statement on his
behalf; and
(b)
at the time he does so—
(i)
he knows or believes, or
(ii)
he has reasonable grounds for believing,that members of the public to whom the statement is or is to be
published are likely to understand it as a direct or indirect
encouragement or other inducement to the commission, preparation or
instigation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences.
(2)
For the purposes of this section the statements that are likely to be understood
by members of the public as indirectly encouraging the commission or
preparation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences include every
statement which—
glorifies the commission or preparation (whether in the past, in the
future or generally) of such acts or offences; and
is a statement from which those members of the public could
5
reasonably be expected to infer that what is being glorified is being
glorified as conduct that should be emulated in existing circumstances.

EGPH wrote:

“Oh and Martin McGuinness is a great leader of Northern Ireland who I have a lot of respect for and I don’t hold his history against him either, same goes for Gerry Adams (who seems a jolly good chap) and Gerry Kelly!”

How strange that your last posting contradicts so strongly the one you made earlier which I have quoted above?

You say that you do not condone violence at all but have a lot of respect for McGuinness, who among other things was convicted of being in posession of 250 lbs of explosives and 5,000 rounds of ammunition. Why do you think he had them? The only reason was for them to be used in the acts of violence which you do not condone.

Kelly was convicted of causing explosions and conspiracy to cause explosions. He further went on to shoot a prison warder in the head during his escape.

Tell me how you reconcile the various statements you have made, all of which contradict each other in some way? At least two of the three you have mentioned have participated, one way or another, in the very acts of violence which you claim not to condone. Yet you have a lot of respect for them? Then criticise them for ‘selling out’?

Perhaps you should change your signature to ‘confused of Scotland.’

Regards,

kev35

Kev35, I think you know that saying you condone terrorism on an internet forum is not likely to work for you very well and the mods could very well throw you out. I have respect for McGuinness, Kelly and Adams knowing just what they have got up to. So what I am trying to say is that I believe that sometimes circumstances will drive people to ‘terrorism’ though I wouldn’t call it that.

So I respect these men for having the bravery to stare the British army down when it needed done. I also honestly do not condone violence now due to there being a democratic parliament in place when Sinn Fein are working, though I strongly disagree with decommissioning of arms beyond use, that has already worked against Catholics in Northern Ireland in 1969 when Protestants attacked Catholics whilst the IRA had to look on unarmed.

I should also say that flying planes into buildings and killing thousands of people is barbaric before people link a few car bombs in Belfast to massive acts of callous terrorism for no good reason.

Anyway this is about Binyam Mohamed not my views on Northern Ireland 😉

At least we know exactly where we stand with EGPH. What a lot of Irish Republican nonsense. At least he should be delighted that we sold out to the IRA in the Good Friday Agreement thanks to Blair, Mowlam and the rest.

The BRITISH sold out!! Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness decommissioned one of the most effective and powerful paramilitary organisations in the world and signed up to a unionist dominated parliament which is not going to lead to a united Ireland free from British rule. Now I do not condone violence at all but the only people who sold out are Sinn Fein! The Brits got exactly what they wanted!

Perhaps you’re not acquainted with their tactics of kidnapping a mans wife and children, then telling him to drive his car into an army barracks and detonate the bomb in the boot, or else his family gets it? Once he did the deed, they then killed the wife and kids anyway.

And the incident where a “mother” pushed a pram with a baby and a bomb in it up to the gates of a barracks and detonated it.

Maybe you’d also like to know about the people the IRA tortured and killed, and others just killed, because they had spoken to british soldiers? Folks gunned down behind the wheel of their cars. Pubs riddled with bullets and countless people killed because they wanted one man inside.

How about the bomb thrown into a busy train station full of innocent women and children? People only saved by the bravery of a British Sergeant who threw himself on said device and thereby took the full force and saved countless live.

I am privy to quite a few stories not otherwise known. Growing up on a barracks with my father in Northern Ireland exposed me to stuff that the media didn’t pick up on.

I have a little full colour book here full of photos that you might like to see!
The IRA did far far worse than the above.
Perhaps some sections of the British Army were conducting torture. But as a means to end the violence towards innocents perhaps?
Doesn’t make it right, but it’s not half as blood thirsty and indiscriminate as the IRA’s tactics were.

Arggh, too many attacks!

I do not have details of every single attack committed by the IRA and I think those do go beyond the remit of “justified force to resist British oppression”. However I simply wanted to highlight the fact that the British army are no angels and committed human rights abuses routinely whilst in Northern Ireland, I can’t remember the details of them all but I am sure on multiple occasions the British Army burst into houses looking for terrorists and completely ransacked the house whilst handcuffing any people inside the house be they women or young children and if the occupants made any nasty comments at the army they would be hit or pepper sprayed whilst restrained. No wonder the boys of the IRA did retaliate, if you can’t take it don’t dish it out!! Or at the very least show your foe respect by calling them “freedom fighters”, though I did once see a picture taken in Ireland of a British soldier saluting and his armoured van went past an IRA funeral so I guess some are human beings!

I suppose that helps make him a jolly good chap in the whacky world of Irish republicanism.

If you think Irish republicanism is bad, you should study Ulster loyalism:diablo:

Who needs enemies when we’ve got friends like EGPH?

Just doing my bit to counteract the British propaganda that hid war crimes in Ireland

Now, now guys I thought civilisation had moved on from the use of torture and otherwise degrading treatment of prisoners. If this man was found in some godforsaken part of the world and the USA/UK have reason to believe he was mixing with the wrong crowd to put it lightly he should be duly given a fair trial and IF found guilty given an appropriate prison sentence, be that a slap on the wrist or life in the slammer. No one can argue that torturing a man who has or has not been tried for his alleged crimes is the right thing to do! I would also argue that we need to concentrate on finding the big guys like bin Laden (if he is still breathing) and not focussing on the boys lower down the chain.

To reply to Kev35’s post (sorry, I HAVE to :o), perhaps the IRA did engage in torture and yes knee-cappings still go on but mostly on peados and the like and given the tone of this thread I guess some contributors would knee-cap terrorists and possibly peados as well. At least the boys of the IRA have the balls to own up to Bloody Friday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Friday_(1972) ) when are the animals that call themselves 1 Para going to own up to Bloody Sunday, I am waiting!!

Oh and Martin McGuinness is a great leader of Northern Ireland who I have a lot of respect for and I don’t hold his history against him either, same goes for Gerry Adams (who seems a jolly good chap) and Gerry Kelly!

I’m getting very annoyed with the new fuel rates.

It goes up and down as one would expect, however the new rates appear to discriminate anyone in the GMT or CET timezone as it the price never seems to go below $1,800 all day then dips to $400 at about 3am GMT and rises quickly again so that the early risers are met with a $1,800 price again.

And now, for no fathomable reason, my stock rate has dropped an entire 1 cent in the last 2 hours. That is a lot when only sitting at 21 cent. This despite all aircraft running at about 95% load, 100% satisfaction and making close to $1m in one single click of a button! (I had made sure my entire fleet was at base last night before signing off, then I sent them all out this morning).

And getting annoyed at a game is just silly. So, if it doesn’t improve in the next few days. I’m quitting.

The fuel thing doesn’t annoy me that much, I seem to remember that when I started playing this game a couple of weeks back it was not unheard of to have $400 or $500 fuel prices in the middle of the day, though not seen them recently! I usually stay up until 1am anyway and it is rarely above $500 at that time so I buy then, bought 1.3m lbs this morning at that price!

Advertising does get me annoyed slightly, unless you go for the more expensive options it seems to have little effect on pax loads. I only have advertising for my most profitable flights DUB-ALC, and BHD-ALC, soon also to have AGP from both those airports! I find that even with billboard adverts, I make back the money in one of my 4 flights a day! All my shorter flights I go without advertising and sometimes I get flights at 100% or close to it, especially if demand is high.