the wings, not the belly
I’ve very much enjoyed reading this thread from the sideline.
AM correctly notes above that we’ve been over a lot of this ground before, but something interesting always comes from another look. I hadn’t appreciated that there was so much ongoing reporting about attacks from underneath … but it seems the mindset of the analyst was set on this being a new manouver or free held gun. A purpose built set up that allowed the attacking pilot to maintain level flight (rather than pull up) seems not to have been considered (as Dyson suggests) notwithstanding Allied experiments with the same.
I also note James’ comment re. RAF aircraft having their bellies unprotected. The memoirs I’ve read of Nachtjager pilots suggests bellies weren’t what they were looking for. For one thing they had an unfortunate tendency to go bang if fired upon. This could be detrimental.
The preferred technique, built up through evaluation of downed aircraft, was to put a mix of explosive and incendiary shells into the fuel tanks between the engines. This could be done from close range, in formation whilst flying level (and therefore having beter control over the approach) and very quickly. Only a handful of shells were required.
For years I’ve been intrigued by how quickly a bomber struck in that manner went out of control. The few surviving tales tell of the bomber going out of control in tens of seconds. Why would this be? Would burning fuel destroy the lift of the wing in very short order? Plus of course there would also be flames streaming back to the elevators (tail wing).
Good thread, cheers D
edit … I note (in the KB965 thread) discussion about metal vs fabric elevators … I was thinking fabric in my comment above re. flames streaming back. All the same, I can’t see how flames would help.
quite so Steve, the mainstream stuff is well, mainstream. As with Oz, there are many smaller vineyards producing quality.
quite so Steve, the mainstream stuff is well, mainstream. As with Oz, there are many smaller vineyards producing quality.
Thank you
Many thanks everyone, and James for your PM too.
Moggy, in this thread in early 2008 you were about to go to Watten/Eperlecques. Did you do that? If so, any feedback?
And I note lots of suggestions in “Air Ministry’s” similar thread to mine.
Many thanks, D
NX665 Motat NZ
Is this also a Rose turret? I note twin 50’s but different multi-part glazing. D
das schnellboot
Amazing coincidences.
We’re reading a book to our kids at the moment, The Amazing Story of Adolphus Tips by Michael Morpurgo, about the evacuation of Slapton and the pre-invasion exercises that went on there. It’s a great read.
If it hadn’t been for that connection, I wouldn’t have followed my nose from this thread to go on the ‘net to show my wee lad a picture of an e-Boat.
And if I hadn’t done that, I wouldn’t have discovered that the one and only e-Boat survivor is in fact one of those that intercepted Operation Tiger! It’s in Cornwall if anyone local wants to go and take a look at it.
das schnellboot
Amazing coincidences.
We’re reading a book to our kids at the moment, The Amazing Story of Adolphus Tips by Michael Morpurgo, about the evacuation of Slapton and the pre-invasion exercises that went on there. It’s a great read.
If it hadn’t been for that connection, I wouldn’t have followed my nose from this thread to go on the ‘net to show my wee lad a picture of an e-Boat.
And if I hadn’t done that, I wouldn’t have discovered that the one and only e-Boat survivor is in fact one of those that intercepted Operation Tiger! It’s in Cornwall if anyone local wants to go and take a look at it.
Q ships
Being polite seems ineffective. Reduce the job activeness. Send out a handful of tempting tagets with some 20mm cannon or similar on board and shred anyone who has a go at them. Once they stop coming home they’ll not be so keen.
Q ships
Being polite seems ineffective. Reduce the job activeness. Send out a handful of tempting tagets with some 20mm cannon or similar on board and shred anyone who has a go at them. Once they stop coming home they’ll not be so keen.
I’ll take your word for it … IIRC it was then described as a Qantas aircraft … and Qantas also sponsored the GP, always sending one of their aircraft over for a low fly by. As you say it’s painted in Qantas colours including of course the flying Kangaroo. I wonder if Qantas sponsored it or similar?
Here’s a fabulous clip on youtube of it taking off in the dusk … check out the exhaust headers!
Sorry Chris, must disagree with you the HARS connie pictured in my previous post and ozters is the only Constellation flying in Australia and it has no connection with Qantas.
Simmo
Really? There was a Qantas Constellation flying about in the late 90’s or early 00’s … I remember it overflying the F1 GP at Melbourne before I left MEL (therefore between ’98 and ’04 GPs).
A moment later, when putting up this pic to prove the point … are they perhaps one and the same machine?
Baldrick, look at the tail in your pics for the Qantas connection.
Fascinating … thanks guys. D
Navigation lights on in the circuit?
Like many others here I have been keenly interested in RAF Bomber Command over the years and have a family link to that campaign.
I also have shelves of books and VCRs and DVSs and what not. One of which is a VCR I copied off the telly many moons ago … “Night Bombers” it’s called, a documentary of a typical raid in, I think, 1944
Anyway it features a taxiing and takeoff sequence (alos found on YouTube IIRC) that inter alia mentions something along the lines of “as they leave the circuit they turn off their navigation lights”. In other words, lights were used during takeoff and at the beginning of the climb out, then switched off.
Is this right? And were they again used during landing (as was also the case in Germany, referenced as an aside in a post above)?
I’m interested in the brand of toilet paper he used
Bader flew a Gemini after the war
… Bader flew himself in in a twin Cessna type thing …
Miles Gemini?
This pic from http://www.aeroplaneart.com.au