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  • in reply to: Identifying Bomber Command losses #1321106
    Smith
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    Source: Tony Woods Luftwaffe Claims Lists..

    30.05.43 Ofw. Fritz Schellwat 5./NJG 1 Lancaster 5276: 2 km. N.E. Hachtal: 4.280 m. 02.18 Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr.41

    Accepting Kev’s proposal that Schellwat is “most likely” for now … can someone please explain to me all the information in this claim data? Some bits are obvious, others not … eg:
    5276 … ???
    Film … is/was there gun camera film … or is it not in English [ie. film does not equal film]?

    If someone can explain the whole data string that would be much appreciated.

    Many thanks again, cheers D

    in reply to: Identifying Bomber Command losses #1321420
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    Thanks Kev

    Now here’s an interesting thing, both Lloyd and Les were air (tail) gunners. Eric was pilot. Do those lists of crew always follow the same order? Effectively a straight line through the aircraft from pilot at the front through to gunner in the tail. If so we can always work out each member’s crew position.

    cheers D

    in reply to: Identifying Bomber Command losses #1321427
    Smith
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    Rock on … you guys are amazing. I share your obsession Kev.

    in reply to: Identifying Bomber Command losses #1321438
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    Leslie Edmund WORKMAN

    KIA 13 June 1943

    http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2820630

    Can anyone provide any details re the loss? Many thanks, Don

    in reply to: Identifying Bomber Command losses #1321443
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    from the Diary of F/S Lloyd English (RNZAF)

    Excerpts from the diary of F/sgt LF (Lloyd) English … referring to Eric. Lloyd was then at Woolfox Station completing operational training. He, Eric and another Kiwi, Les Workman, had trained (and partied often!) together, they were on the first intake to Bruntingthorpe on 1 December 1942; it seems Eric and Les went on to operations before Lloyd. Lloyd was posted to 619 Sqdn at Woodhall Spa on Friday 4 June 1943. As we know, Lloyd was subsequently killed over Peenemunde, and I believe all three of this inseparable trio lost their lives, but don’t yet (then moments later, see next post) know about Les Workman. The photo I will post on Monday is of all three.

    Friday 28 May 1943
    Got up about 12:30 for lunch. Mucked around for a while then Jack Hubbard and Jack Shaw and I went to Lincoln. Posted some photos and sent a cable home and went to a show. Ran into Bob Wood and some of Eric’s crew and some of Pete Holt’s crew. Earlier in the week Chivers(?) went for a burton I forgot to mention that. Had a chat to them caught bus home and bed.

    Sunday 30 May
    After breakfast had a lecture and at lunch time heard that Eric and Pete Holt went for a sh!t last night. Hells teeth I was speaking to members of their crew the night before they went. Its a ******* losing one’s friends so soon in the show. Eric was one of the gang at Bruntingthorpe, only 20, Bob was 21. Did dinghy drill in the afternoon and then Jack Shaw and Hubbard and I caught bus to Lincoln and went to Cathedral for service. Had something to eat and home.

    edit … the ******* word is very similar to bustard

    in reply to: Identifying Bomber Command losses #1322584
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    Surreal … that took 26 minutes. I am in awe.
    Many thanks Twinotter and Paul McM. Well done lads.

    I will post a photo of “Eric” on Monday … silly ****** (moi) I’ve left it on my work PC not at home.

    RIP

    and he was indeed a pilot I see … I was too much the sceptic

    in reply to: MRES information #1322823
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    Stuart

    I’m also chasing this down on the 12 O’clock High forum (where my id is smidon as they won’t accept names under 6 characters … grrrr … I’ve become rather fond of being gnome – same avatar though!)

    http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=4212

    And many thanks for the offer, I will pm you. cheers Don

    in reply to: MRES information #1324329
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    Many thanks Stuart ~ appreciate your help.

    I hold a copy of an original MRES document ( it’s what i would call a loss summaruy or precis, very brief structured form). I located it in my Uncle’s file at RNZAF. This suggests your point about Commonwealth personnel records being sent to the Parent Air force. But that one pager is tantalising as it refers to original German documents “in our [ie. MRES] files” that tell of, or in some way illuminate, the circumstances of the aircraft’s demise. It’s those records I want, but I have no idea how, where or when they might be available for perusal.

    Many thanks, Don

    in reply to: General Discussion #345643
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    Ooooh no thanks, don’t like Marmite at all. Far too intense a flavour. Vegemite though, there’s a passion …

    in reply to: The Great Marmite debate!!! #1943547
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    Ooooh no thanks, don’t like Marmite at all. Far too intense a flavour. Vegemite though, there’s a passion …

    in reply to: Bader – The TV Programme #1284541
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    Is it me….or are we approaching the point of absolute tedium here?

    That was waaaay back when … but I couldn’t help myself … had to look, wondering why oh why is this thread still going? And no, the irony of making this post doesn’t escape me. :rolleyes:

    Smith
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    Nice work Macwan. And your ad’s not too “blatant” I guess LOL.

    in reply to: The Spitfire also ran – discuss #1294898
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    To paraphrase John Doone;

    “No plane is an Island, but a part of a continent”

    I think that sums it up – Steve.

    Thank God for that! er. what does it mean?

    in reply to: The Spitfire also ran – discuss #1294901
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    If none of this is relevant to your thread [and] I don’t recall any suggestion, from you that, it wasn’t what you wanted to discuss (at that stage), but apparently now I’m way off the mark, so I’ll leave it with you.

    This forum is notorious for, and in my opinion made more interesting by, being able to sway on and off topic. I have absolutely no problem with that.

    I now see (apologies if slow) that you’re not so much arguing the case of the Spitfire as that of the BoB. That the BoB was crucial in the scheme of things. That’s an interesting aside and well worth exploring … don’t let me hold you back.

    But I haven’t really thought about it so won’t offer any random thoughts at this time.

    in reply to: The Spitfire also ran – discuss #1296107
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    Stuart, XN923 is correct in his assessment re. my meaning in this thread. I confess absolutely to using a phrase I know people misinterpret (also ran) but I also very carefully did not use the common phrase “an also ran” as you have done. I used the phrase in its original (racing) context and meaning. A horse wins, the others “also ran” by which it means they competed.

    My meaning is clear … would the outcome (of WWII) have been any different without the Spifire, which is often accorded much glorification? Is it worthy of all that glorification?

    To my mind NO. But don’t get me wrong here, I think it’s a beautiful machine, a credit to its designer and an all round fantastic aircraft. But I don’t think anything swung in the balance on its presence. I think it punched above it’s weight … but that’s not the same thing either!

    The argument I am inclined to listen to is Alertken’s … that the sheer versatilty and effectiveness of the Spifire and its production enabled other production to be freed up and that may well have been crucial to the outcome. It’s a very good argument and I’m swaying on that point.

    But I don’t think you’re right to allege, as I think you are doing, that the Spitfire won the BoB and if that battle hadn’t been won the others wouldn’t have happened. I disagree with you on a couple of points there …
    (a) I believe the BoB was won on superior tactics as has been noted a few times above, and
    (b) the Russian/Eastern front would almost certainly have started anyway … without it who knows what might have happened.

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