hang on a minute
Dave (and others) the Sally B website says July 10, are you sure about the 17th – perhaps a week out?
that was quick
Many thanks Dave, cheers Don
Perhaps someonme could ID the unit (and then a googling we will go). The multi-coloured tailplane and diamond on the tail and so on should give more than hint to someone in the know?
Thanks guys … learning every day!
Thanks guys … learning every day!
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Having tried the usual “pay” suspects (Norton, Trend Micro, etc.) I agree 100% and thoroughly recommend Avast. It ripped archived trojans out of my system the others couldn’t touch and appears after nearly 3 months use to be really good. For one thing it doesn’t ‘eff with my system … just keeps the bad guys at bay. And it’s free! Good stuff.
only UK residents need apply !!!
Assorted inappropriate language !!!!! Think Captain Haddock.
That petition states “You must be a British citizen or resident to sign the petition”.
That’s really disappointing and inappropriate. In fact I’m angry. A significant proportion of Bomber Command aircrew and casualties came from the Commonwealth. They should be recognised. And therefore Commonwealth citizens should be given a dispensation to petition for that recognition.
TACTICS
Trying to remember clearly here what I’ve read in numerous sources. IIRC there were 3 basic attack techniques used by the Luftwaffe against the B17/24 formations.
Head on … hit and run … used by the majority of 109 and 190 day fighter staffeln … throttled back, very high closure speed all the same, very short aiming/firing window (only a second or two) requiring very high accuracy, then throttle open and dive away (to come around again)
From the rear by the sturm 190s, heavily armoured, slow closure speed, you took a lot of hits but what the hell, the idea was to close, deliver as many cannon sheels as possible and take out one bomber = success. So what if the 190’s stuffed.
From the rear by the 262s, a shallow dive from well above and behind, pull up, sight and let fly, then what? I don’t recall. Power up through the formation or break away and down? Safety was the speed of movement (ie. difficulty of a gunner getting a good bead on a 262).
And what about the Zerstorers? What were their tactics?
Can anyone post a photo or illustration (of the 162)? Someone with the bandwidth to post it that is :rolleyes:
Pic below comes from http://avia.russian.ee/air/germany/me-162.html
I can see how a Do-17 would pass for one in the heat of battle
Also look here http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2191.htm
Thanks Ian
Saw the unveiling ceremony on TV this evening, lots of Royal family and other dignatories and of course Kiwis. I am looking forward to visiting this unique and IMO great looking monument.
Don
He didn’t and I see what’s happened … have I created this confusion? In my post #21 above I referenced Schellwat’s first claim (near Hactal) not noticing he claimed two that night. Kev35 in his post #14 is talking abouit the second claim near Peer … 19 minutes later. The 5276 appearing both times is the (nightfighter) grid location. See Mhuxt post #22 about how to interpret the data.
Photograph
Here we have the three likely lads … from L to R … Les, Eric and Lloyd

Many thanks for your help mhuxt … much appreciated
44 Squadron lost a second aircraft that night, Lancaster III EE123 KM-K, six of the crew were killed and the surviving crew member was captured.
In fact that second aircraft was Pete Holt (age 19) and his crew, as referred to in Lloyd’s diary entries [post 12 above].
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2645655