Ahum, the chapter on our recovery of Whitley N1521 is in-operative on our site. Check
then go to the recoveriesindex and look for Whitley N1521.
Cees
Whitley N1521
Although I cannot help you with information regarding photographs of the crew etc. but I can tell you that our museum recovered the remains of Whitley N1521 from the Zwanenwater in Holland during 1995 and 1998. It had crashed on January 15th,1941 after having been shot down by a nightfighter.
Some pics of the recovery can be found at:
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Cees
What about Clement Ader’s aircraft from the late 1800’s (or was it early 1900’s). Wasn’t that powered by a steam engine. It supposedly made a very short flight (reaching an altitude of some inches, but that is open to debate).
Could be wrong though,
Cees
Sorry to be a party-pooper but this is a hoax. And a very good one at that as this story pops up every now and then.
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Cees
The XIX with clipped wingtips is also very un-PR. Would be difficult to reach the higher altitudes without the full span wings.
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Cees
Thanks for the update Ken,
This recovery was one of the first I read about (or was trying to as my grasp of English was almost non-existant then at 13) when I started buying FP and the other magazine I will not name here.
Another push that started off my interest in aviation archeology, incurable it later turned out to be.
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Cees
Nice pics. Any update on the Loch Doon Spitifre II restoration?
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Cees
Roger,
Yes, but I haven’t heard anything since from them. I will just wait and see.
Steve, the Lancaster is known and there are some crewmembers still listed missing so this is the reason we will hopefully can fire up the local authorities to effect a recovery. I agree with Lancman (again?, must be spring is coming) that another Lancaster is not very desirable for the UK, but it would be if a major Dutch museum would be interested to raise one and put it on display in as found condition. The feelings the Dutch have regarding the RAF are still very strong.
About the IJsselmeer, this has never been fully searched and we have started on it some years ago but the work to be done is huge so it will some time, and as we are enthisiasts with normal jobs and social lives we cannot do as much as we want to. But personally if there is a chance that a complete Stirling can be found it is either here or in Scandinavia.
Cees
By the way, any hints as to which 5 aircraft you are investigating?
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Apart from the Heinkel He115, there is a very substantial Lancaster lying at five metres depth with another two recently found wrecks of which the type still has to be established this summer. Close to where the Heinkel is located the side scan sonar has found two more very large objects at the bottom. This is the area where there used to be a large seaplane base to the east of Amsterdam. Our records show that over twenty aircraft crashed during take off and landing accidents. Types could be He115’s and Arado 196’s.
As far as I know the B29 in Zeeland is too big for Dutch resources to recover, let alone foreign ones. If it was a Stirling then it could have been different. Two years ago we were approached by the RAF Sub Aqua team and they wanted to know if we knew a substantial Stirling wreck they could recover. We didn’t they but things can change overnight I guess, it’s all a matter of luck.
Cees
Cees, all credit to you, but you are a bit behind these guys in terms of ‘job done’ eh? The Canadians at Trenton will have a superb Halifax when they have finished, I’m sure. But they don’t right now.
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JDK
You are right, but in my opinion a restoration or reconstruction is never finished. At some point in the future something will have to be done to ensure preservation for the future. I am a great fan of the YAM Halifax and as I am working on my own Halifax cockpit reconstruction/replica project (following the way YAM reconstructed their cockpit section), I know the problems (and in their case hundreds of times more) they have faced during their hard work, and they managed to pull something off that has been an important exhibit in Halifax country Yorkshire. That is, if you can compare what I am doing against the reconstruction of the YAM Halifax.
What YAM did is nothing short of fantastic and they should be given the credit they deserve. With minimal resources (here we go again) they managed to bring a Hally back to Yorkshire for anyone to admire (enthusiasts and veterans). The shortcuts they had to make can be and are (obviously) being put right and you should see it as a improving restoration project or something similar. The only things that do distract from being a real external representation of an operational Halifax is the nose transparency which doesn’t look right, and the engines/propellors, but I know that they are working on the manufacture of a new and better nose transparency, so it will only take a matter of time, but in the meantime it perhaps gives the aircraft a “thrown together” look which it isn’t. When I was inside it in 1997 I really had the feeling I was going back in time with every step I made towards the cockpit.
NA337 of course is a project that started on a different footing but the end result will be astonishing. The way they restored the airframe can be an example for the RAFM to do the same in an area where visitors can view the progress made instead of having to remove it for several years from the display while it is being restored. The condition of W1048 actually was (and is) very good and much better than NA337, perhaps the general opinion in the early seventies was that this airframe was beyond restoration but things have changed over the past decades with seemingly corroded and battered airframes being restored to fly. But I am not going to rant about the replica/restoration/reconstruction discussion, that’s just a matter of opinion., just look for the previous threads on this topic.
The bottom line is, also regarding the heavily coloured opinions against the Spitfire and Lancaster as opposed to the other types : It has all happened in the past, it is no use to try to explain things that happened already decades ago. Just let everyone enjoy their various favourite aircraft types and its merits. And just make sure that as much of these warhorses are brought back for restoration no matter if it’s a Hally, Lanc or Stirling or Whitley. And if someone thinks that the YAM Halifax isn’t one then just don’t go there, but go to East Kirkby, Brooklands, Colney or Duxford instead. There is so much to see for everyone.
Just my two eurocents of course
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Cees
Yes please,
I am still waiting for the Stirling Project to visit the large heap of brackets and fittings from N3654 which we have in store for them, including a lot of main spar attachment fittings.
Cees
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PS: Hi HP57, I’m back in the Emerald Isle if you still want that Halibag wreck checked out
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LW170 or another one?:D :rolleyes:
Cees
Airfix Halifax
I actually agree with Lancman that Airfix moulded the nose transparency as it looks misshapen and cloudy (probably ill-fitting as well.:D
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Cees
Thank boys,
That’s some great information ( I knew about Dan’s opinion of course). Nice story about the tail section. It seems that in the early days of the warbirds industry (if you could call it that then) a lot of parts were switched between projects making it a researchers nightmare.
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Cees
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