Found this on the net about the P-38
Parts From Saint – Exupery’s Plane Found
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: April 7, 2004
Filed at 4:49 p.m. ET
PARIS (AP) — It was one of French aviation’s enduring mysteries: Antoine de
Saint-Exupery, the pilot and author of the beloved tale “The Little Prince,”
took off on a World War II spy mission for the Allies and was never seen
again.
After 60 years, officials have confirmed that the twisted wreckage of a
Lockheed Lightning P-38, found on the Mediterranean seabed not far from the rugged
cliffs of Provence, belonged to Saint-Exupery, Air Force Capt. Frederic Solano
said Wednesday.
In France, the discovery is akin to solving the mystery of where Amelia
Earhart’s plane went down in the Pacific Ocean in 1937.
“This was our holy grail,” said Philippe Castellano, president of an
association of aviation buffs who helped authorities identify the debris. “We never
even imagined this.”
It was a stunning revelation: Teams have been searching up and down the coast
for decades, and many experts believed the plane was probably too far out to
sea to be recovered.
Clues to the crash started coming together in 1998, when a bracelet bearing
Saint-Exupery’s name turned up in a fisherman’s net near Marseille. Some
reports said the find was a fake.
“For six years, people had their doubts,” said the fisherman, Jean-Claude
Bianco. “People claimed I made it myself.”
But Bianco’s discovery jogged the memory of a local scuba diver, who first
saw the plane debris nestled in the ocean bed in the 1980s.
The diver, Luc Vanrell, pored over records of downed planes. By 2000, he was
convinced he had found the right one. But it took time to get permission from
France’s Culture Ministry to have the pieces brought up for analysis.
The plane, smashed into hundreds of pieces, lies 100 to 300 feet below the
surface, less than three miles from the coast between Marseille and Cassis. The
key find was a tail piece bearing a tiny serial number, 2734 L — the same as
Saint-Exupery’s, Castellano said.
A piece of the puzzle remains unanswered: the cause of the crash. Theories
have ranged from hostile gunfire to suicide. The debris has so far yielded no
clues.
“It’s impossible to say if he was shot down, if he lost consciousness, or if
he had a mechanical accident,” said Patrick Grandjean of the national
Department of Subaquatic and Submarine Archaeological Research.
Famous for his bravery, Saint-Exupery was selected for the dangerous mission
of collecting data on German troop movements in the Rhone River Valley. His
plane vanished in the night on July 31, 1944, when he was 44.
He has become one of France’s most admired figures, in part because of “The
Little Prince,” a tender fable about a prince from an asteroid who explores
the planets and then falls to earth. Saint-Exupery’s other works, which largely
deal with his aviation experiences, include “Wind, Sand and Stars” and
“Flight to Arras,” about a doomed reconnaissance mission.
Until the euro currency was introduced in 2002, the novelist’s image appeared
on the nation’s 50-franc note. In Lyon, Saint-Exupery’s hometown, the
international airport is named after him.
Castellano, president of the Aero-ReL.I.C. organization that helped identify
the plane, said some Saint-Exupery fans resisted the efforts. They wanted to
keep the mystery alive.
“In the end, I think everyone is satisfied,” he said. “We didn’t find a
body, so the myth surrounding his disappearance will live on.”
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On the Net: http://www.aero-relic.org
May just take a spin in that P-51!
Well thanks for the encouragement guys, I just may try this weekend to see if this is for real. Information came from an aritcle in the local paper. I have flow on “The Diamond Lil” the B-24 and the B-17 “Sentimental Journey”, would love to add a P-51 to the list. Now if its a BlueNose P-51, well the old wallet may have to come open ! Even just to hear her crank up that lovely Merlin is worth the experience !
BlueNoser352!
A note of thanks to Duxford & friends of Robert Rudhall
Webmaster:
Thanks for posting this on the FlyPast Board, I did not know Mr Rudhall in person, but have many of his works and his contributions to aviation and journalism have been enjoyed by many. I exchanged several emails with Mr Rudhall over the years, regarding his book on the making of The Battle Of Britain film. He was most generous and helpful in my questions to him on the making of the film. My deep condolonces go out to the Rudhall family and friends, the FlyPast Family as well. Its a wonderful gesture by those who have organized this event, I hope someone would reprint his book on the making of The Battle of Britain. I have been looking for a copy but can’t seem to locate one anywhere. If anyone knows where I may obtain a copy, I would love to hear from them. I hope many can attend this memorial to his memory !
Thankyou!
BlueNoser352 !
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Thanks for the info on Colditz!
Thanks for the info and I do have the Channel 4 documentary and one I bought here in the states from National Public Broadcasting, which shows a group building a replica sail plane and flying it for the actual veterans who built it. Sure wish the Allies could have saved the original at Colditz. Have to make plans to visit Colditz along with Stalag Luft III on my next trip across the pond! Much thanks for the info on Colditz!
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Has anyone here been to Colditz?
Greetings from across the big pond on this sunny saturday, Moggy thanks for the laugh, to much. I once drove past the Colditz on a business trip and had no time to stop. Has anyone here been to the Castle ? I have often wanted to visit this place to see where all that history took place! The Channel 4 story on Colditz is excellent, bought it at Hendon and it covers so much about life in the castle for those interned within its walls! Would have loved to see those guys fly out of that place in the sail plane they built !
Cheers!
BlueNoser352!
B-17 at Hendon!
The last time I was there, I believe she carried the colors and tail marking of the 94th Bomb Group based at Bury St Edmunds, to go along with the section of the museum dedicated to the men of the Eighth Army Air Forces. I remember at the time there was large doniation made to restore and fly the aircraft to the UK , for Hendon as a memorial. Complete with control tower, it makes a nice tribute to the men of The Mighty Eighth ! With full respect to the brave men of Costal Command who use the Flying Fort as well during the war.
” A Fortress for Freedom”!
BlueNoser352!
More Info on The Great Escape!
Nice to see many of you remembered these men today as well, on the Region 2 DVD, there are two excellent programs on the history of the Great Escape , one deals with what happen to the fifty and how the British tracked down all those responsible for the executions. The second one is from “History vs Hollywood” shown on The Hisotry Channel, tells how the films director John Stergis tried to stay close to the original story and once again (U-571) provide story lines for the American Cast in the film. While the Steve McQueen role adds something to the film, it does bother me to the extent it never happened . This has caused many Stalag Luft III veterans to disapprove of the film. Once again trying to alter and change real history by those in the film industry. The region one DVD sold here in the states does not offer any extras , glad I bought one while in the UK. Its a real tribute to these brave men!
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Corsair DVD ?
Corsair166b nice to see you here, don’t know the answer to your question. But I thought at one time you posted a website about a DVD one could buy on the Corsair? Excuse me if I have lost my mind!!!!
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Wow..talk about “Cutting the grass”!!!
Pretty impressive low level flying to say the least, I know several 8th AF B-17 pilots who did this sort of thing when there mission duties were done. Against the rules to say the least when it comes to safety, nice still from the movie! Seems to me they destroyed one of two of the B-17’s in the film for some reason?
Maybe someone here can fill in the blanks !
” Keep the Show on the Road” !
BlueNoser352!
How did they get the B-52 to Duxford?
How did they get the B-52 in at Duxford? Not sure on all my visit to this great museum if it was explained how The Mighty Buff came to rest there? What is the length of the main runway at Duxford? I would venture to say a C-17 could land at Duxford,not sure about our C-141. Having flow on them in the US Army, those old work horses take a long time to come to a stop . Hats off to all those who made new American Museum and the Land Warfare Museum possible, both are great additions to Duxford. Nothing against Jets at Duxford, just prefer to hear the sounds of Merlins
when visiting there!
BlueNoser352!
War Lover B-17 pilot ???
Not sure what became of him, seems to me he was one of the pilots flyiing B-17’s in the film. THE WAR LOVER. Filmed in the Uk in the early 1960’s, which has some outstanding low level flying ! Not sure if he served in the RAF.
BlueNoser352!
Thanks Mike J for Great Escape Photo!
Mike, thanks for posting a wonderful photograph of nine outstanding men who were part of a very historical event some
60 years ago. Looks like it was a sucessful day at Duxford, which is such a national treasure for you in The United Kingdom. Were they just signing a book or perhaps a new art print on The Great Escape. Which I will ask on this board ….has anyone ever painted
for the commerical market, an art work on the subject of The Great Escape? Thanks for posting this and hope you had a great time, would love to sit down and speak to them about that whole event and how they view it today! These men are real hero’s and
nice to see events like this still happen !
“Keep The Show On The Road”!
BlueNoser352!
Great Escape…Duxford Visit!
In a word…WOW, what I would not give to visit and be at Duxford on this Saturday to meet and speak with these men. I have meet several US Vets who were with these fine men, before they were sent to other camps and seperated. If anyone goes, please file a small report on how it went. Looks like I will have to get this book written by Wing Commnader Rees! A kind request from me..if anyone was lucky enought to have taped the March 17th showing on Channel 5 about the Great Escape, I would love to buy it. I can play pal tapes as well. Have a great weekend gang!
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Great Escape Copy for Sale !
I would like to buy a copy of this television program on the Great Escape if anyone offers. Its a topic I have been intrested in for years and look forward to the new book that has just come out on the escape. Of course the film and the Paul BrickHill book got me started on this at a early age, have any of you read the Canadian authors book on the Great Escape called ” A Gallant Company” by Jonathan F. Vance? Its truly and outstanding look at what happen now some 60 years ago! Hats off to Channel 5 for saluting the brave men who risk all on that night !
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Thanks Andy!
Greetings Andy and thanks for the message, yes one of its Mustangs did hit the control tower early on the morning of June 6th 1944. I have been to Bodney several times , the control tower is about ready to fall in, wish I had to money to restore her as a memorial to the group. Here is states, the group held its last offical reunion two years ago and its one of the story lines in this
production. I tried to get the company to market its product at Duxford & Imperial War Museum BookShops, they are looking into this. They did produce several Pal DVD’s , but sold out quickly. I collect military aviation titles like many here , this is one of the finest titles I have seen in several years. The new 60th anniversary Channel 4 DVD on The Dam Busters is outstanding as well, I got that one at Hendon ! Hoping to see them release the
“Spitfire Ace” on DVD, that just aired! Nice it hear you have Maj Preddys decal kit, good luck on the building of the Mustang!Love riding around the Norfolk countryside and must get back to Norwich to visit the new Second Air Division Museum ! Thanks for the wave across the big pond !
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