either way the SDB that penetrated the hardened shelter had a significant blast.
I like how people parse things in order to try and make a point. They ignore the footage of a Live SBD going through a hardened shelter and destroying a parked aircraft. And cling to the the 1 snap shot of a obviously inert SDB hitting a truck.
What about all of the U.S.M.C Av8s that will be retired soon?
Could a country buy 1 or 2 invinc and U.S. harriers?
Just on a note The U.S. Now has enough missile defenses to render the few SUB launched ICBMs Irrelevant. This isn’t the same with Russia.
Once again we are back to a conventional conflict.
I’m just trying to bring a little sanity back to the board, that’s all, I’m not trying to stir the pot. Many of our friends have gotten quite ridiculous with assumptions.
Sounds like a good way to get shot to pieces! 😮
How will you shoot a F-22 to pieces when you cant see it? its launching from mach 1.5 and 50k + feet many miles away out of your threat zone.
Let continue with my point I made earlier.
There are around 70 air bases In range of the Taiwan straight.
There is a lot of talk on the internet about China hitting Guam and other U.S. bases with Bms to degrade sortie rates. we saw a decent 1st day of the war strike package in an earlier post.
3-4 OHIOS thats 500 TLAMs 500 aim points
24 B-52s ( rotating in each day) launching ALCMs 480+ aim points
24 B-1s firing Jassm 576 aim points
10 B-2s launching 200 SDBs each thats 2000 aim points
24 F-22s based in Alaska for DEAD 8 SBD thats another 192 aimpoints
24 F-22s For escort
That was for the 1st day. Unless the 7th fleet is nuked we have to assume that they are still alive Lets also assume that they have 1/2 there Tomohawk Load
45 BGM-109 Tomahawk USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54
45 BGM-109 Tomahawk USS John S. McCain (DDG-56)
45 BGM-109 Tomahawk USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62)
45 BGM-109 Tomahawk USS Stethem (DDG-63)
45 BGM-109 Tomahawk USS Lassen (DDG-82)
45 BGM-109 Tomahawk USS McCampbell (DDG-85)
45 BGM-109 Tomahawk USS Shiloh (CG-67) * note Shiloh can carry many more TLAMS But Im tying to be conservative
And lets leave out USS Mustin (DDG-89) as either destroyed or some form of attrition before it launched its tommies.
So we have another 315 aim points one the 2nd day to add to the rolling strikes above * Ohios strikes can be supplimented with more heavy bombers*
then you have USS George Washington (CVN 73) with about 75 air frames embarked. enough to generate at the mimimum 3 strikes packages.
* Note Hornets using stand off weapons at leasts 24 hornets a day*
The amount of aim points could easily exceed 5000 a day for a few days.
What makes you think The RED air force or navy will have a air force left after a few days? every red air force base within range of Tawain could be cratered
If I was a mean old air commander and had trouble killing some sam in a reventment. Id order the next strike to hit it with 1k pounds JDAMS:dev2:. Now I know for sure its dead.
why again cant the F-35 fly from these? or the V-22?
Japan would be the perfect customer if it bought these + F-35Bs + V-22
These videos should clear up some things for the doubters. If you and your leaders doubt then good. If you doubt then you wont plan and procure.
The Russians can hit the US bomber bases with their strategic bombers too. There’s over 50 of them. Added to that are Sierra, Victor and Akula class subs that can launch cruise missiles. More than enough to take out every bomber base on CONUS. Can’t launch much if your runways and aircraft fall apart, can you?
Countering any ALCM threat is a large fleet of MiG-31B/BM aircraft, too. Added to that are short-range air defenses that can handle any incoming ALCMs.
Did you read a word of what I posted? How many sorties can the Russians throw together? Can they sustain the around the clock sortie generation rates that the U.S. can Look at the Georgia conflict where a bomber was lost to a piece of Russian kit. They have trouble with C4, escort and fratricide among other issues. If you have trouble bombing an air base in Georgia how are you going to sustain strikes over conus? and further fur my scenario was with China I have never said nuclear conflict I said a miiliary flare up.
Now when you throw in Russian bombers hitting conus your talking about land wars in Europe. You talking about WWIII you talking about expanding the conflict. You think the Russians can win a land war over Europe? beating the EU and the U.S.?
Well take this piece of info with a grain of salt, if necessary.
At Farnborough Pogosyan said he wasn’t impressed with the F-22s agility/maneuverability, saying that the Su-35 was no worse – though it wasn’t a match overall for the F-22. He then said, right after, that the PAK-FA would be (overall).
I seriously think your view of that whole ordeal is childish beyond what I could have expected from anyone here.
The F-117, along with far superior support, training, etc – did penetrate Iraq.
Iraq had a completely inferior, multi-generationally “behind the F-117” radar network, that could do nothing to stop the stealth aircraft.
AA guns over Baghdad are a massive threat – what sort of joke is that? It’s like like the F-117 or the F-15E are mud-mowers. They are high fliers that have no need to worry about short-range AA guns or easily jammed ancient Soviet SAM systems.. good god man. :rolleyes:
You were banned earlier, were you not? You made this thread because you are very very butthurt that people don’t worship the oh-so-mighty USA. 😀
2000 F-35s are a wet dream that will never happen. Maybe 1200 by 2050. At best. The economy is screwed at the moment. The military is bloated beyond anything necessary. The US has no business dictating to anyone, be it China, the US, or some lesser country.
Also, your grasp of military operations is probably about a good 1/10.
How will the US ever deploy its air force against a country that has long-range strike capability (leaving nuclear war aside).
How will they actually bring 170 F-22s and 2000 “other aircraft” over without anyone noticing? At best, they would have to rely on F-18s and F-35s from carriers, and then later forward operations bases for F-15/16 aircraft and A-10s could be established. As an extreme example, Russia could happily obliterate these bases from far far away with their Tu-95MS and Tu-160 bombers firing precision Kh-555 and Kh-101 missiles.
I was simply comparing numbers stop trying to bull bait. why don’t you actually try to refute something someone says rather than trolling this board
Like I mentioned before the 1st day strikes will not come from carriers but from conus. You have to look at thing in sortie generation rates and aim points. The Chicoms have about 2000 SRBMs to use On Taiwan and allied bases. They can hit 2k aim points the 1st day but can they sustain it?
The U.S. can sustain 2k aim points a day for a prolonged period.
3-4 OHIOS thats 500 TLAMs 500 aim points
24 B-52s ( rotating in each day) launching ALCMs 480+ aim points
24 B-1s firing Jassm 576 aim points
10 B-2s launching 200 SDBs each thats 2000 aim points
24 F-22s based in Alaska for DEAD 8 SBD thats another 192 aimpoints
24 F-22s For escort
I would be conservative in saying that the U.S. could sustain sortie rates and hit over 3000 aim points a day and I didn’t even mention surface war ships, more Ohios, carrier strike groups, and Legacy F-16,F-15E fighters
Russia and China can hit hard but they cannot hit the sheer amount of aim points we can neither can they sustain the sortie rates that we can
Please, if your going to tell me I don’t know anything about operations at least bring some facts.
so how is it the article then says that the harrier is 1400+ degrees if it isn’t hot?
I for got about a unmanned version.
Its called sarcasm and irony I am calm.