Ill readily admit that I don’t have a security clearance. Did I say that i built the F-22? Do you have a security clearance? Do you know the Raptors exact RCS?
All either of us truly know is public domain. with that said I cant under stand how you think every publication on the planet is wrong and your right.
Mod Edit: Cut and paste from external site removed. This refers.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-stealth.htm
Where is your link? Global security wiki and a host of other sites tell things differently than you do. I guess because they are American they are no credible? Ohh I get it, you work for lockheed! can you show us your clearance?
JSF Woes Push AF to F-16s
JSF Woes Push AF to F-16s
By John Reed Thursday, November 4th, 2010 11:04 am
Posted in Air
In light of delays with the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, the U.S. Air Force is set to begin looking at which of its newer F-16s will receive structural refurbishments, avionics updates, sensor upgrades or all three, the service’s top requirements officer said today.
The service has already begun discussing “how to move the old [tactical fighter] fleet to the right” to keep them flying until the JSF comes online, Lt. Gen. Philip Breedlove, chief of Air Force operations, plans and requirements, told reporters today at a Defense Writers Group breakfast.
“We’re not going to do a blanket upgrade,” Breedlove said. Instead, the service will inspect its Block 40 and 50 F-16s “on an almost tail by tail basis” to decide what structural refurbishments the jets will need along with which planes will get communications, navigation and even radar updates, the three-star said. “Almost all” of the planes will need at least some structural modifications to keep them flying to their “economic service lives,” he noted.
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Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell today criticized release of the information, noting “the department regrets that someone chose to provide unauthorized and incomplete information to the press.”
“Admiral Venlet has been doing a soup-to-nuts review of the JSF program,” Morrell said. “It is the most thorough, the most extensive, the deepest dive yet we have done into the F-35 program.”
“But that assessment is not yet complete,” he said. “Therefore, what has been leaked to the press is premature, and I would suggest to you that in some respects it’s inaccurate.”
Stevens and Joseph Dellavedova, a U.S. Air Force F-35 program spokesman, said separately that the first two production aircraft, which were supposed to be delivered this month to Edwards Air Force Base, California, are undergoing modifications and will be delivered in April.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-04/lockheed-says-f-35-may-need-more-time-more-dollars-.html
LOL, I do my best to stay out of this, but Ww makes sure nonsense arrive in abundant numbers.
Ww, the point of planar alignment is that a plane has a few peaks, but average lower RCS.
LO means that the object has an AVERAGE RCS, lower than some yardstick and is thus OVERALL more difficult to spot, using radar.
Good luck finding a plane with higher RCS than B2, top-down (perpendicular to it enormous wing).@Jessmo,
there are numerous stealth programs for ships and each and every one of them has faceted surfaces and even the LCS built by the very same LM, has FLAT surfaces to reduce RCS.Does the radar pulse bounce of ship and plane differently?
Ok cola you win
1. The Euro-fighter is stealthier underneath than the F-35 and the F-22.
2. The B-2 doesn’t uses hardly any curvature, and the curvature that is used doesn’t matter
3. The F-117 is the stealthiest aircraft ever made. More than the F-22,F-35 B-2.
4. The Euro- fighter can beat up your plane.
5. Flat surfaces are the best for stealth. we need only to put a high thrust engine in a cube and then we are good to go.
6. You are smarter than Lockheed because you pulled equations and words like dielectric from the internet and goggle. 😀
So lets get back on topic you have proved that you are infinitely smarter than all internet publications and even engineers at Lockheed.
What a stupid discussion. The side on radar signature of a conventional fighter is also much bigger than the head-on. It is not different for stealth fighters, yet compared to a RCS reduced plane the convetional has much larger signature, relative to the angle it presents to the emitter.
F-22, F-117 and B-2 are very close to all aspect stealth imho. F-35 is not.
It all started with someone claiming that the euro-fighter had better stealth characteristics than a F-35:D
But it is neither the CTOL nor the CV model that holds the current speed and g-load records for the F-35. That honor befalls the F-35B STOVL. Recently the jet accomplished Mach 1.32 and 7 g’s, the STOVL’s maximum design limit.
The record Mach number was achieved in the BF-2 test aircraft at NAS Patuxent River on October 18. Flight objectives was to expand the STOVL flutter and flying-qualities, and supersonic flight envelope at 30,000 feet. Piloted by RAF
I didnt suppose anything, every resource and publication on earth says the B-2 makes exstensive use of cc! And you want us to ignore Them along with our common sense?
Please, pull a soccer mom out on the street, and ask her!
Please ask her “maam, does this plane have curves?”
Gebbus h Rice! Your gonna make me go off the rails! And get banned.
common sense plza!
wait, ew what? don’t understand your question….didn’t I just say B-2 used curvation??
ah…wait I think I used CC instead of curvation…sorry…:dev2::diablo:
But the argument is that CC isn’t important! HOW Can it be important or relevant, and NOn relevant at the same TIME!
yes and no. because of it’s operational altitude, it can use CC in areas which are not facing ground radar to better aerodynamic performance. Obiously CC reduce your signature quite a bit.
If I’m not mistaken the F-22 uses high altitude also am I correct?
And on top of that, the claim was made that curvature was irrelevant.
How can the B-2 have curves that reduce RCs if curvature is not important like what claimed in this THREAD!!
so your saying the B-2 doesn’t use curvature? Please explain while you are trying to get to see the hidden faceted surfaces. explain to me!
Your saying that the B-2 does not use curvature? and a major RCS reduction tool?
So let me make sure I understand your wild claims:
1. Your saying curvature doesn’t work at all and it isn’t used on the F-35 at all?
2. Your saying plan from alignment isn’t used at all on the F-35?
3. Your saying the F-35 isn’t Lo treated at all?
here is more
http://www.f-22raptor.com/st_fa22tricks.php
2.0 Continuous curves
The F/A-22 uses a combination of different ways to keep radar waves from bouncing back to their origin. The most sophisticated system is the use of so-called continuous curvature.
Many of of the surface shapes of the F/A-22 are curves with constantly changing radii. These scatter radar beams in all directions instead of back to the radar source. There are no right angles on the exterior of the design.
In order to calculate the curves and the effect they have on radar reflections form any point in 3D space, requires a tremendous computing power.
The first plane using this technology :: Equally sloped edges and continuous curvature to reduce radar echos to a minimum
extensively is the B-2 stealth bomber, also known as the flying wing.
Since computer- and software development has sky-rocketed over the past 20 years, prediction models can now be calculated quite precisely ,taking in account radar reflection versus the shape of the plane, while supporting more naturally aerodynamic shapes.

1. We never said that plan from isn’t viable we said that the aircraft uses plan-form alignment and curvature.
2. I present to you, the B-2
The aircraft uses very few if any faceted surfaces. and since the RCS is smaller than the F-117 we conclude that curvature alone when properly used, is a important aspect of modern stealth design.
# The first stealth plane was the F-117 which first flew in 1981 and remained top secret for most of the 1980s. It had surfaces like a flattened pyramid with intersecting planes like the facets of a cut diamond. It was used to attack the Iraq centralized communications, command and control centers in the first minutes of the Gulf War in 1991. No missile was ever shot at the F-117 at that time, and it sustained no damage from enemy fire. During the rest of the Gulf War, it scored over 1600 direct hits with no losses.
# The second stealth plane was the $2 billion B-2 Bomber which was approved in 1981 and first flew in 1989. The B-2 uses a newer way to achieve stealth called continuous curvature which also directed radar waves away from their source while more naturally supporting aerodynamic shapes. While the B-2 is four times larger than the F-117, its radar cross section is smaller. It can also reach anywhere on earth from the U.S. without refueling, carry heavy payload of 40,000 pounds and operate at 35,000 feet or 50 feet. The point is made that the Air Force expected to build 133 B-2 Bombers, but that was cut to 75 after the Cold War ended and to 20 in 1992.
Notice the tear shape?
Now look at the Raptor, notice the nice clean curves? there would be more of a tear shape if it wast interrupted by the huge tails.
Look at the F-35
The B version is a little chunky but you get the picture.
So curvature is used for the top and bottom aspects, because it makes for a better aircraft than faceted surfaces. and Plan-form is uses on the wings, nose intakes tails ect.