Why would anyone go to the considerable trouble, risk and so on, of doing this, when as you say a few lines further on,
– ? Yes, I already knew how easily obtainable guns were for criminals – that’s precisely my point! Our growing mountain of anti-gun legislation does NOTHING – nada, zilch – to stop criminals from having whatever guns they want. All these laws simply disarm the public, preventing them from defence of self and property if they are threatened. The number of crimes committed with guns found to have been stolen from licenced gun-owners has always been only a very small percentage of the total.

Yes, and No. Pre-1967 you bought a Shotgun Cert at the Post Office, then went to the gun dealer and bought as many shotguns as you wanted. Only cheapskate robbers carried sawn-offs though: it was actually the case (I’ll provide the figures if you want) that handguns were always the armed robber’s weapon of choice, because they’re far more compact & concealable. The fact that handguns were controlled, and shotguns were not, simply made no difference. With shotguns being more or less freely available, was there a massive social problem with gun violence? No – and from your remarks you clearly remember the period – there was not. Shotguns became controlled after ’67 because Roy Jenkins, Home Sec at the time, saw a sneaky opportunity to do so after some bad guys (you might recall this) shot & killed three London coppers. Did these toerags use shotguns? No – they had criminally-obtained handguns, never licenced… There were calls to re-introduce the death penalty, to which Jenkins was opposed, so to make it seem he was doing something tough (and as a distraction) he severely restricted shotguns. There you go.
We’re not going to agree on this, clearly. I’m glad to hear you hit that toerag with a rake. You know what would happen now, don’t you – the cops would immediately charge you with assault, the toerag would probably get off with a slap-on-wrist, and might sue you into the bargain.

I am tending to agree with you on most points. Your vast knowledge of the law and the consequences of having/not a more liberal approach to ownership will outweigh my experienced distrust of the toerag society and those which try and administer it.
As an aside, I’ve just got some Spam Emails for replica HandGuns!

Branching from Aviator, if you like Howard Hughes life type films, I rekmend Melvin and Howard.
Blogged…..
This movie tells the possibly true story of Melvin Dummar. Melvin is a nice guy, but he is a total loser: unlucky, impractical and can’t keep a job. One night, however, he helps an old man who has had a motorcycle accident in the desert. Melvin laughs when the old man says he is Howard Hughes, the eccentric multimillionaire. But when Howard Hughes dies, Melvin is mailed a will leaving him part of the estate!

Jason Robards starred as Howard.

I suspect they (the minorities) feel victimised because they HAVE been victimised for a long, long time. The ‘white British’ culture has been guilty of that kind of behaviour for centuries.
In this day and age if the ‘white briton’ feels marginalised then there’s absolutely no reason why they shouldn’t form a “Morris dancing society”. And If that’s representative and indicative of British culture then a break uf of GB couldn’t come sooner…:eek::D

There would be no discussions of such, erm……..”music” at that club.

Not just the Brits., western white and Australia. In fact the white Ausies treat the aboriginal owners of their country with absolute contempt.

Anyway, the vast majority of outright widespread racism stopped in the 80’s IMO. Pockets of it still exist of course, but fewer and fewer. Most race riots are now Black versus Asian on the drug rights.

I stand corrected on the National Black Police Officers Association point about membership. However as an organisation they stand up for the interests of only black police officers. Now, I respect all blacks who are law abiding and live in this country but I don’t think I would want to join an organisation like the national Black Police Officers Association, after all, what would they do for me?

Exactly! That was my point in the first place.

If the white Police officers tried to set up such a club they would be thrown out of the force and probably taken to Court. So, why don’t they set up a club such as the “National Police Force Morris Dancing, Gilbert and Sullivan and Light Opera appreciation society”
That aint cool enough for the vast majority of the Bro!
Well, it’s what some other organisations do to get round the laws, should they wish.

The minorities can set up such organisations because they see themselves as victimised, but the very nature of the isolationism brings about the victimisation IMO.

It can be used against targets of opportunity or known sites.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/e19991115bargain.htm

“It will hit the targets you can pick out with radar, or it can hit targets you can’t see but you know their exact location.”

” During the Kosovo conflict, JDAM outperformed laser-guided bombs and cruise missiles costing between $350,000 and $1 million each. Rain, snow, ice and fog-an almost daily springtime event in the Balkans-disrupted the focused ray of laser light needed to designate targets. Scores of missions were scrubbed.

Usually, two-plane packages are needed-one designates the target with a laser beam, while the second fires the missile.
By contrast, JDAM planes need only an on-board targeting computer that updates the weapon until the moment it is dropped.”

Yes, “Usually” is the case but not always. They get the TIALD or similar Pod up there out of the way, designating from a safe distance…or a little bit safer than the weapon platform. Also, from up high they can easily swith to the next target without so much mileage being eaten.
As not many platforms are stable enough to use the Disignating Pod, the higher altitude is likely to have less lumps in the air. Acceptable wobble is a 6mm laser generating a 1 metre diameter “Field” from 30something thousand feet….and this is actually hard to achieve. Anecdotally, the most stable platform around is the Canberra. By sheer fluke, as it wasn’t designed to be vibration free…but it is still used today for the high def camera shots. Apparently, no other platform comes close to it for that purpose.

From the National Black Police Association website:

The highlighting is mine.

Time and again I see this type of thing on this forum – arguments do stand up better when they are built on more solid foundations

The chair of the Black Police assoc. was on Radio 4 some weeks back (Saturday morning). He stated that there was no barrier to membership, but if you are not black or asian etc. then you don’t get on the C’tee and you don’t get a vote.

I notice the Masons are keeping quiet on this thread.
(I’ll get me coat)

My oh my.
You clearly want your gun back. You are a member of a Gun club I presume, it’s members are all keen shooters and responsible owners therefore. This is good and is how it should be. I’m not certain about you having the guns at home, simply because of the possibility of a toerag stealing it, no matter how strong the cabinet is. I hit a burglar with the business end of a Garden Rake, in the days when the Police thanked me for it. If I had a gun, he would be dead. He would only deserve to be dead if he was a total toerag murderer / rapist….but I couldn’t possibly know that at that time. If he had a gun, I would be dead. He would be more likely to have a gun, being a toerag.
And by the way, Guns are really easy to buy on the street, £100 would get you a decent hand arm. The bullets would cost you a lot more though, about £400 for 25.
Do you remember when you could buy a 12-Bore from the catalogues such as Littlewoods? I do, my brother had 2. He also had an old 16 bore, and we often went shooting for Rabbits, Pigeons and other vermin. I’ve been there, I know how enjoyable shooting is as a hobby. But after that period, a lot of armed robbers used them as the weapon of choice.

As for proving facts on literacy, this is impossible. The only measure is exam results, and the exams are softer now than my day and your day. Different stuff is measured, appalling grammar and spelling is now OK if the context is correct etc. The School leavers and Post Grads that come to our place are the best of the bunch and are full of exam results but are thick as two short planks when it comes to common sense, adapting to free thinking (Outside the box) and other attributes I look for.

As for my “Police state” comments, yes I am very serious, but others will beat me to it anyway. And I did not say in any way shape or form an execution by Armed Police. Catch the Toerags, fair trial, kill the guilty with some sport. The killers of Baby P should be killed in public by the Arch Bish of Canterbury, and he’d get an upgrade for it too.

Perhaps after about 10 years of total freedom on gun ownership the nation would settle down. If we all had a firearm, the initial 5 or 6 years or more would see a massive increase in deaths from them. Nobody will take the gamble for those years, especially as it is more than Parliament and therefore it does not exist in UK long term planning.

At the end of the day, you and your fellow pukka gun enthusiasts should be allowed to proceed with your hobby. The proletariat should not be allowed to freely buy them.