You harbor some very worrying ideas.

That’s harbour, btw.

The worrying ideas are left in the bag. Mods would object

I am going to make the assumption that that means you have nothing more to contribute here.

Is banter not one of the tolerance levels you allow?
See that winky smiley thing?

This thread is a serious discussion, one which (One assumes) none of us can have any influence on the actual subject matter whatsoever.
If you can’t change something, change your attitude towards it… is my motto.
To get the Churches / Mosques into my way of thinking, they would all be closed and then razed. So, decisions such as is being suggested by some idiot church leader, the nation spirals into nothingness, we will all do nothing. We cannot do anything.
So, now I’m long in the tooth, feck it…they can do whatever they like….until it affects my actual and real lifestyle. The discussion and the decisions made affect my dismay with this country, but it does not cross my path.
I am training the lad to live abroad away from UK. British born is no longer a thing of pride.

These idiots do not cross my path because: –
There are no mosques where I live.
There are no churches bigger than a 100 seater where I live. And it’s mainly empty.
Nobody does protest marches where I live.
Murder rate is almost nil.
Crime is the lowest in UK.

I chose this place to avoid all the problems, so in my way I did affect the outcome. Seclusion!

The fatigue thing was an opportunity for continuation of the banter, which you could have reciprocated, but chose to actually insult.

Huh? The Fundamentalists who you seem to dislike…aren’t a government.

BUT…and this is the point you missed…fundamentalist Christians are not a “state” which is what Sealordlawrence was clearly referring to. Unlike Islamic states, their beliefs are not laws.

And unlike Islamic states in the U.S. and most civilized places, different religious beliefs are tolerated here. Even if most people don’t agree with them. Scientology is legal here…but banned in Germany. Do you really want a national government deciding what religions are okay and which aren’t?

Remember, tolerance is a two way street…you (and especially the authors of the the site you linked to) should practice it.
If you mock people for their beliefs, you’re not much better than Saudi’s “Mutaween” police.

The paradox is indeed that we wish some of the ways of the Mid East were adopted here. Flogging for one. We quickly jump on the manhunt and kill bandwaggon when a serial killer is loose don’t we?

I’ve been to Saudi, people in my old firm live there. They get by on illegal home brew and parties with the nurses from the US hospital but it is generally not a country I would choose to live in.
Hypocracy exists too, as soon as the Dunlops leave the Runway, the Arabs are no longer on Holy ground……the amount of beer can fizzes is quite deafening!

I consider myself quite average, and these views are shared by most people I know……Child molesters should be made to walk around with their recently hacked off but now rotting testicles sewn on their bottom lip.
Convicted rapists should be sterilised….however, with a lot of women shouting rape (Particularly if the male is famous) this is a very dodgy area. THIS DOES NOT SUGGEST THAT SOME WOMEN HAVE NOT BEEN RAPED.
Child murderers should be killed on live TV, with a telephone poll to decide on the method of death. Phone profits to victims family. (Actually, I don’t think we are that far off this)!

And if anybody harmed my wife and son, the same pain would be inflicted upon them, even if it meant killing them. Classic eye-for-eye stuff…..but it would be my decision to break the law and go to jail.

There is a wonderful film called “The Star Chamber” with wotsisname…Kirk Douglas’s son. Anyway, the star chamber is a ring of Police/judges which decide to “Off” the baddies that get away from court on technicalities.
Very good film, dealing with the revenge aspect of our society, one day, they picked the wrong chap……

Sealordlawrence don’t seem to suffer fatigue! unfortunately.:rolleyes:

He does. You see, I have the original specimen in a FLAC rig. It’s got 30,000 more Internet hours ahead of the fielded platform. The main supports are holding up well but the OML is widening and showing signs of age.

😉

There are two fundamental problems with Sharia.

1) In many of its interpretations it uses barbaric punishments, stoning, beheading, flogging and amputation. This is simply unacceptable to modern civilisation.

2) Islam is an oppressive ideology. In many interpretations it treats women and homosexuals as sub-humans. The classic example is whereby it takes the testimony of two women to outweigh that of a single man in court. Again this is unacceptable in modern civilisation.

We need to get away from this notion of the Islamic community living its own wonderful little life, where everything is done by consent and the only cause of friction is western interference. It is simply not the case.

I agree with you totally, but no need to pick on Islam.
Some of the so-called religions in USA are just as bad, and in fact from what I’ve seen on the GodGarbage TV, their behaviour is more disturbing, certainly from a viewpoint of mental health. Beheading and stoning doesn’t seem to be on the agenda though.
Religious discussion is an argument about who has the best imaginary friend. There can never be settlement.

Once again it is a case of minority rule.
We keep saying “If they live here they should abide with our rules and lifestyle”.
ROFL.
The idiots in local/central Government pacify any possible or potential race card / teenage pregnancy card / Asylum card.

If the Social security was removed from all people that hadn’t paid 2 years Nat. Insurance (Say) then we would have no problems like this at all. There wouldn’t be any cultural issues because they wouldn’t be here.

I am so sick of the UK and the way it is managed, all I can do is hope for a coup in which the politicians are killed and we can start afresh with some common sense. I would prefer to start the coup, but only if I can have the flame-throwing tank.
Dealing with the MoD only serves to fuel my belief that the nation is managed by the most incompetant persons I have ever met. And THEY are educated too. God (Not that one exists) help us.

Sorry to sit on the fence but if I say what I really believe it would upset the mods.

Exactly, but when that was ‘re-discovered’ it suddenly reminded everybody exactly how old these things are.;)

Right at the start of the Bidding process for the “New” Nimrod, those that knew…such as just about ALL employees at Chadderton and Woodford said to the MoD that each ship was hand built and that the Fuse length could be accurate to within about 1/4 inch. The OML of the wing could be toleranced to a much better level because of the way the skins were assembled in the AJ. The Wing attachments could be as much as 1/8th inch different. Didn’t matter when each one is a bespoke build of hundreds of detail parts. The latter NC machined “Less part count” components would only fit 1 in 10 at first hit. This sort of thing always crops up in re-life projects, and the new machinings can have extra metal on the attachment face…..a sacrifial pad….which can be locally dressed to suit. This was dismissed because the MoD had a budget, and the bids had to suit that budget come hell or high water. All “Nice to haves” were dropped. If the BAE bid was over budget, that work would have gone abroad…a highly embarrasing situation for the MoD and BAE. So, corners were cut and all the usual horse trades were done in the Ivory Towers of MoDland and the job was awarded for a price that satisfied the “Taxpayer”. It’s the same story EVERY time. Contactor says it will cost 5x. MoD say sorry, only 3x available. Outturn costs are 5x and the Guvmint insist that the contractor has blown the budget.
It wouldn’t be so bad if the budget was actually set from professional estimates in the first place, no….they are set based on a % of spend allowable in the short to medium term.
Also, as a project starts, it naturally gets a delay……during that delay, the MoD decides it wants some extra bells-n-whistles thrown in, this brings further delays. The Bells-n-whistles were also predicted to cost 2x but only 1x is on offer. The circle continues until the project comes in on the ORIGINAL (But rejected) estimate and timescale.
It’s called Spin, it gets the project launched through parliament, when the problems hit, it will be (a) Another Governments problem (b) Too late to back out or cancel because jobs are at risk in a deprived area blah blah blah.
So, I suppose, in ensuring work stays in country, the system actually works.