old shapeI was watching The Weakest Link the other day, and I swear, as she winked, her face barely moved….
Anne’s facelifts…..She looks like a Chinaman in a wind tunnel.
old shapeYou’re entering the realms of self-parody now, old shape. :rolleyes:
If one crunches numbers all day, one has several tracks back to the history one needs to prove. Georgy Orwell beat me to it, but it is how it is.
old shapeYou’re entering the realms of self-parody now, old shape. :rolleyes:
If one crunches numbers all day, one has several tracks back to the history one needs to prove. Georgy Orwell beat me to it, but it is how it is.
old shapeOne instance out of thousands. Clutching at straws!
Presumably you would have us believe that the “sceptics” are disinterested scientists?
Despite it being a matter of record that a number of the most prominent dissenting voices are funded, to a greater or lesser degree, by petroleum and oil-related companies? No conflict of interest there, I’m sure.
For the record, I’m not convinced that human activity is wholly responsible for global warming.
Nor am I convinced that all of the heat, “greenhouse gasses” and excess carbon dioxide that human activity has added to the atmospheric has had no effect whatsoever.
When we talk glibly about “the climate” we are actually talking about a hugely complex interdependent chaotic system that even those who have spent a lifetime in studying it do not fully understand.
It may well be that human activity only has a small impact on a global scale. Equally, it may well be that a small impact is all that it takes to throw a complex chaotic system out of balance. The last straw, so to speak.
The truth is that we simply do not know for sure. Anyone – from either camp – who claims otherwise is being, at best, disingenuous or, at worst, mendacious,
The polar icecaps do not care about politics (whether of the right or of the left), so they keep on melting – changing the salinity of seawater and altering the direction and temperature of the ocean currents that are the engine that drives the world’s major weather systems and raising sea levels around the world.
Glaciers all over the world don’t give a toss what Jeremy Clarkson thinks, so they keep on melting, too – raising river levels and increasing rates of erosion further downstream and adding to the overall rise in sea levels.
The atmosphere doesn’t give a jot for the grandiose proclamations of Internet Warriors, so the levels of carbon dioxide slowly creep up, contributing to a slow but inexorable rise in global average temperatures.
These things – and many others – are really happening.
Only the cause is in dispute, not the effects. But it is the effects that cause the damage.
Instead of wasting precious time and resources on political posturing, blame shifting and point scoring, together with perpetuating a collective state of denial, the governments of the world should be bending their wills towards concrete action to mitigate the effects of global warming, in both the short and long terms.
Anything else is an irrelevance and a distraction.
That’s the whole point, they are not. They would sooner tax the punters, having had them conned in the first place. Politicians taking a long term action? Yeah, right.
old shapeOne instance out of thousands. Clutching at straws!
Presumably you would have us believe that the “sceptics” are disinterested scientists?
Despite it being a matter of record that a number of the most prominent dissenting voices are funded, to a greater or lesser degree, by petroleum and oil-related companies? No conflict of interest there, I’m sure.
For the record, I’m not convinced that human activity is wholly responsible for global warming.
Nor am I convinced that all of the heat, “greenhouse gasses” and excess carbon dioxide that human activity has added to the atmospheric has had no effect whatsoever.
When we talk glibly about “the climate” we are actually talking about a hugely complex interdependent chaotic system that even those who have spent a lifetime in studying it do not fully understand.
It may well be that human activity only has a small impact on a global scale. Equally, it may well be that a small impact is all that it takes to throw a complex chaotic system out of balance. The last straw, so to speak.
The truth is that we simply do not know for sure. Anyone – from either camp – who claims otherwise is being, at best, disingenuous or, at worst, mendacious,
The polar icecaps do not care about politics (whether of the right or of the left), so they keep on melting – changing the salinity of seawater and altering the direction and temperature of the ocean currents that are the engine that drives the world’s major weather systems and raising sea levels around the world.
Glaciers all over the world don’t give a toss what Jeremy Clarkson thinks, so they keep on melting, too – raising river levels and increasing rates of erosion further downstream and adding to the overall rise in sea levels.
The atmosphere doesn’t give a jot for the grandiose proclamations of Internet Warriors, so the levels of carbon dioxide slowly creep up, contributing to a slow but inexorable rise in global average temperatures.
These things – and many others – are really happening.
Only the cause is in dispute, not the effects. But it is the effects that cause the damage.
Instead of wasting precious time and resources on political posturing, blame shifting and point scoring, together with perpetuating a collective state of denial, the governments of the world should be bending their wills towards concrete action to mitigate the effects of global warming, in both the short and long terms.
Anything else is an irrelevance and a distraction.
That’s the whole point, they are not. They would sooner tax the punters, having had them conned in the first place. Politicians taking a long term action? Yeah, right.
old shapeI’m going to leave this now because there’s not enough facts coming back – such as the evidence or motive for why somebody deliberately manipulates data.
But glad we agree that the planet is warming – saves discussing the “hockey stick”.
Whether it has levelled off or not – I presume you mean this graph
You’re right, we don’t know which way it will go next year and to base an assumption that it has levelled off on three or fours years of data is fundamentally flawed. There is simply too much variation in the data to draw such a conclusion. Draw the graph as far as 1995 and you would have a much lower mean than shown.
EDIT to add – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8400905.stm
Not wishing to sideline, but I manipulate and corrupt data very regularly, in order to get the results I need. Months later I alter them to achieve a different result.
old shapeI’m going to leave this now because there’s not enough facts coming back – such as the evidence or motive for why somebody deliberately manipulates data.
But glad we agree that the planet is warming – saves discussing the “hockey stick”.
Whether it has levelled off or not – I presume you mean this graph
You’re right, we don’t know which way it will go next year and to base an assumption that it has levelled off on three or fours years of data is fundamentally flawed. There is simply too much variation in the data to draw such a conclusion. Draw the graph as far as 1995 and you would have a much lower mean than shown.
EDIT to add – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8400905.stm
Not wishing to sideline, but I manipulate and corrupt data very regularly, in order to get the results I need. Months later I alter them to achieve a different result.
old shapeI am very familiar with Perm. Even from when it was Molatov.
I have friends there teaching at the Uni. and two secret research establishments. They have sons and daughters of clubbing age. I’m frantically awaiting Emails / phone calls.
As for the safety “Rules” for such things, there are very very few in Russia.
old shapeI am very familiar with Perm. Even from when it was Molatov.
I have friends there teaching at the Uni. and two secret research establishments. They have sons and daughters of clubbing age. I’m frantically awaiting Emails / phone calls.
As for the safety “Rules” for such things, there are very very few in Russia.
old shapeGlobal change is happening, it aint man’s fault.
2 years worth of Volcano activity puts more “Bad stuff” in the air than mankind has since the industrial revolution.
The goddam Ozone hole is now mended, do you really think that’s because a few G8 countries banned CFC’s? The Planet does what it likes as necessary.
David Bellamy wrote books in the 70’s about the new ice age coming in 25 years. Well?
It is an excuse to tax you once again, both directly and indirectly. The direct is obvious from the thieving scum in Downing street, the indirect is the fact that as we all (Are forced) to use less, Mr Electric Company is not going to take a loss of income is he….no, he will put his prices up to recover the losses. For those who think he will lay-off, shut down power plants etc. to balance costs, get real……he will do both.
We now have light bulbs that are as much use as a pork pie in a synagogue.
I DO NOT WANT a 7 watt bulb with the power of 40 watt. I NEVER used a 40 watt! Gimme a 35 watt bulb with the power of 150 watt please, and don’t make me wait 6 mins for “White light”.
In fact, for those of you just leaving school, learn to be an Optician, the future is bright for that game! Our eyes will be sha66ed within 3 years.
Yes, the scientists which are against this present bandwaggon are indeed silenced or sacked. Like the drug expert sacked because he went against the quivver-lipped idiot in #10 and his so called experts.
Yes, the advert on the telly is a disgusting piece of propaganda. Even Goebbels would be so proud of such a masterly lie. I tell my son why and how it is a lie.
My carbon footprint is as big as it needs to be for my family to be warm at home, safe in a 4 litre saloon car. And sometimes I drive the 700 yards to work.
Life goes on, if people think mankind can change the behavior of the planet, they need to re-think.
(We can change the weather, as the USSR did for the big parades. They dropped raw cement dust into the oncoming clouds to make them heavy and rain outside of Moscow. Stuff the poor people it fell on, the parade was always sunny)
old shapeGlobal change is happening, it aint man’s fault.
2 years worth of Volcano activity puts more “Bad stuff” in the air than mankind has since the industrial revolution.
The goddam Ozone hole is now mended, do you really think that’s because a few G8 countries banned CFC’s? The Planet does what it likes as necessary.
David Bellamy wrote books in the 70’s about the new ice age coming in 25 years. Well?
It is an excuse to tax you once again, both directly and indirectly. The direct is obvious from the thieving scum in Downing street, the indirect is the fact that as we all (Are forced) to use less, Mr Electric Company is not going to take a loss of income is he….no, he will put his prices up to recover the losses. For those who think he will lay-off, shut down power plants etc. to balance costs, get real……he will do both.
We now have light bulbs that are as much use as a pork pie in a synagogue.
I DO NOT WANT a 7 watt bulb with the power of 40 watt. I NEVER used a 40 watt! Gimme a 35 watt bulb with the power of 150 watt please, and don’t make me wait 6 mins for “White light”.
In fact, for those of you just leaving school, learn to be an Optician, the future is bright for that game! Our eyes will be sha66ed within 3 years.
Yes, the scientists which are against this present bandwaggon are indeed silenced or sacked. Like the drug expert sacked because he went against the quivver-lipped idiot in #10 and his so called experts.
Yes, the advert on the telly is a disgusting piece of propaganda. Even Goebbels would be so proud of such a masterly lie. I tell my son why and how it is a lie.
My carbon footprint is as big as it needs to be for my family to be warm at home, safe in a 4 litre saloon car. And sometimes I drive the 700 yards to work.
Life goes on, if people think mankind can change the behavior of the planet, they need to re-think.
(We can change the weather, as the USSR did for the big parades. They dropped raw cement dust into the oncoming clouds to make them heavy and rain outside of Moscow. Stuff the poor people it fell on, the parade was always sunny)
old shapePapa Roach. “We have had enough”.
old shapePapa Roach. “We have had enough”.
old shapeIf it get’s the go ahead I think it will look superb.
Rain run-off is indeed a problem as mentioned above. The weight of it may have a significant bearing on the surrounding suburbs too. It will be like the rubber sheet/steel ball demonstration.
old shapeIf it get’s the go ahead I think it will look superb.
Rain run-off is indeed a problem as mentioned above. The weight of it may have a significant bearing on the surrounding suburbs too. It will be like the rubber sheet/steel ball demonstration.
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