Hi Old Shape

Sorry if in any way I miss represented your comments or thoughts.

However, we live in a very corrupt world. That includes the police and legal system. The current legal system has more holes than a tea bag and access to justice in the UK only exists if you have money.

If a UK computer guy can hack the American military computers, millions of people can falisfy evidence.

Poor innocent people would die, rich guilty people would get off. At has always been thus.

You cannot guarantee an infalable system, without it innocent people will die. Therefore, the death penalty must not exist.

Just a thought from a life long Manchester United fan…..what should have happend to the police officers in charge at Hilsborough ? (alledgedly…).

Retired ????

Say no more…………..and believe me I don’t like Liverpool FC at all (even though Steve Highway and Ian Callaghan have always been favourites of mine !) .

Cheers !

Thankfully, I am part of the corruption. I do work for the UK Gt and I took money to vote. I no longer care, this country is in the hands of 650 idiots that waste skin and have no right to share my air. I cannot stand by
corruption and have none of it myself.

Innocents die all the time. If we make a secure system that works the best it can then the statistical mistakes will get less each time. Getting the system right is the hard bit. The removal of child killers, child rapists, anti-west terrorists is the easy bit. Oh so easy. “Ordinary” murder cases need a LOT more looking into.

Hillsborough? That’s a long way off topic and do not understand the analogy. For the record, I do not support LFC but I lived in Liverpool at the time so my opinions of the police that day, and the Sun newspaper are the same.

i can recall the chap who made those PG Tips ads remarking how bad aggresive and tempered these chimps became once they matured, dont know if i could keep on with injuries like hers

In Africa, a small Monkey got ONE finger in the door we left ajar (A foolish mistake which we are all warned about). It took me, the mrs and Terry (The one man sit-in squad) to overcome it. VERY powerful creatures.

OP

You can never trust a life to a jury.

Take a look in your local or on the high street, would you really trust your life in their hands……………freightning.

As for killing people first, then sorting out the system ????

Never let the genie out of the bottle.

As for forensic evidence being indisputable, these days the authorities have dna records, what would it take to simply plant a small piece of dna. The copper gets a big pay off and perhaps YOU go to the gallows.

Believe me it would happen.

OP? me I presume.
I didn’t say what you said I said.
If the system was available to off them, the process of putting them to death would be much improved. Only the absolute certains would get through.
As for the high street, I agree. Read my post.
As for DNA planting, yes it can be a problem but the white-coats can tell the difference of such. The stolen condom routine has been tried and it failed.
I agre on jail too, the sentanced should hit their knees and beg for mercy once prison is mentioned. But no, it’s gladiator school for scum to improve their M.O. whilst being kept warm/fed/widescreened at the taxpayers expense.

i dont get it!!!!:diablo:

Particle physics and basic electricity flow. Do a google.

But, it’s the kind of joke told amongst the sort of people where an extrovert is the one looking at other peoples shoes.:):):)

Never……..

How many innocent people would the state have killed, the Birmingham 5, Stefan Kishco etc, etc.

Lets concentrate on a having a fair legal system first. In my humble opinion, you only get “justice” if you can afford it these days .

But, if the Death Penalty were re-introduced then the thought process of a Jury making it 12-0 will actually improve Police system and the Court system and thus the whole process. Yes, it would have to be a 12-0, but to convince all 12 that the Police hadn’t messed up, the forensic was undisputable etc. will drive a better system.
Jury duty may be taken more seriously too. As often remarked, a Jury is made up of 12 people not important enough to get out of it.

And, IIRC the Birmingham 5 were not actually innocent. They were released because the Police knocked the sh!t out of them during questioning and thus the verdict/confession may have been unsafe. At least 2 of them immediately went out on the Ale with known IRA terrorists.
The Police beatings were part of the crap system mentioned above.
The evidence agin Kishco was never enough to convince a hanging Jury so would have been life.
I agree, get the system right but not necessarily first. The Death P will be driver to improve the system. Left to the Civil Service to put a think-tank together means it will take 15 years of study and the answer would be wrong and ill thought out.

It’s here. It never went away.

I checked 5 pages back. Must try harder.

As for your sig. I once had a works “Christmas do” at a famous Italian restaurant in M/cr.
They served Garlic Sprouts.
I could have bottled it and sold it as crowd control.

The Lockheed Galaxy failed at 120% LL. The B787 wing did not fail, but there was delamination of some structural parts. I wouldn’t call that a real failure, but it was close to it.
The fact that a structural part fails does not mean the whole aircraft is a mess or unsafe, it rather points out that the processes and tools used to design the aircraft are not well established. Many structural parts needs redesign, in any aircraft program, but the general public normally doesn’t learn about it.

Schorsch, I dunno your level of knowledge in the Aerobit game but I can assure you that a delam of the carbon in a test is as bad as it can get. It failed at 70%, at what point did the delam begin…nobody knows. Where else has it delaminated….inside the ply thickness (Impossible to tell without an X ray or A scan/C scan etc.) A tiny delam in the middle of the ply thickness (Up to 2 inches on a wing skin) creates an air pocket. Upon a lightning strike that air will expand and possibly enter the fuel tank at a temperature which will create a spectacular mess. Yes the mesh and/or the bonding path will take the strike back round the faraday earth but the lightning strike policy will have been designed for a voidless cure.

An airliner has a main floor/bilge and a wing box/centre fuse. Everything else hangs off those fundemental items. Failure of the wing at test is a big major problem, and a delam is a very large nightmare for any carbon manufacturer.
It has been my deep experience that all the CFRP designs at the moment have initially grossly over estimated the strength and performance of CFRP in a Class 1 structural part. The metalwork added to the carbon which takes loads down certain paths makes the items heavier than the all metal one on Spars and beams. The weight is gained back by having a CFRP skin on the wing and floor but the weight savings of 20-30% per se have been a complete lie.
The first plastic airliner sized Spar will lift off on 25 or 26 or 27th November from Spain. The King of Spain has been asked to reserve all 3 days, such is the unpredictability) A400M. If Boeing have a dreamliner, then the A350 is a nightmareliner and the A400M is a soiled pantyliner.
(Plenty of CFRP Spars in military jets but the crew have a mummy handle and the wings are stronger by a considerable margin, stiffer too as they have 5 Spars or more)

Old Shape, there’s no point whatsoever throwing various scenarios at me because that isn’t what we’re talking about here; we’re talking about a collection tin being stolen, which is what I’m expressing an opinion on. Nothing more, nothing less. Again, I agree fully the people who stole it are total low life cretins and I said that in my original post.

Sky High, I have no idea whatsoever why you’re having such difficulty understanding my point, and it actually worries me that your attitude would seem to indicate you consider stealing a collection tin containing 20 quid to be as bad a crime as someone getting stabbed for the sake of their wallet, which may contain absolutely nothing. Stealing is a crime however you look at it, but I have no idea how you can imply all incidents of theft should be looked at in the same way. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Paul

In cold mathematical/statistical terms I see and totally agree your point.
The underlying time bomb is that such crimes are a barometer of “Feck it, they won’t even put me inside” attitude which is rife.
It’s probably 3 generations deep now, there is no hope for the growing Pikey Chav scumbag class. They learn it from Parents who were schooled by their parents – no moral standing or respect whatsoever. In the scheme of things, such crimes are important because they disturb the feelings of decent people in as much as having ones wallet lifted.