So are you saying that DAS were not involved with the airshows in the early days? I seem to remember a company called Duxford Displays Limited. Or is this just an “old chestnut” and a “whitewash”?
When I joined DAS in 1978, this was after the days of EAAS, but I distinctly remember helping out at airshows on behalf of DAS/DDL.
Clearly your definition of ‘the early days’ are different to mine! The EAAS organised a number of displays at Duxford, as did the later Duxford Aviation Society which I believe did have an operating arm called Duxford Displays Limited. I regard ‘the early days’ as 1971-1975/6. After the coup d’elat there was – and still is – a faction that refuse to accept that EAAS was in there before DAS.
Globally, every ‘museum’ has funding issues and from what I can gather DAS has greater problems than many, because as far as I am aware they are not a ‘museum’ as such but a ‘collection’ as effectively tenants within a larger museum set-up.
Again, from the personal viewpoint of an outsider – but one who has had meetings with the current group – myself and others met with Chairman David Garside and Director David Norman on 23rd May of this year with the purpose of discussing with the new management of DAS the current situation with regards to the Dan Air donated aircraft, with particular interest in the Ambassador. We also wanted to make DAS aware of our offer of assistance in any background information they might require.
David Garside gave a run down on the DAS current position. He said that when he took over, DAS was in a very poor state of health and things looked very touch and go for its survival. Considerable changes have since taken place and the outlook is now much healthier. However revenue from Imperial War Museum in 2011 was down on previous years and measures are in hand to address this.
He went on to say that they now have a good relationship with the IWM but it had clearly been a hard task to get where they are now. They have no hangar so have to negotiate with IWM for cover – they had to take the Ambassador out of the hangar as IWM needed the space, so life isn’t easy for them.
One area that DAS have worked hard on is to improve their identity on the Duxford site and to this end they have produced a very professional brochure entitled “The British Airliner Collection at IWM Duxford”. Its cover has the new logo which will be on all future society notices, staff badges etc., etc… The brochure has a foreward written by Richard Ashton, Director IWM and an introduction written by David Garside, Chairman DAS. It is followed by detailed history of each of the aircraft that have been donated to DAS (12 in all): Avro York, De Havilland Dove, Handley Page Herald, Handley Page Hermes (fuselage only), Ambassador, Vickers Viscount, De Havilland Comet, Bristol Britannia, Handley Page Herald, Vickers VC10, Hawker Siddeley Trident, BAC 1-11 and Concorde 101. This brochure will be on sale in the IWM shop at a price around £5.
At that time David Garside told us that they were still trying to discover what they had in terms of aircraft parts, equipment, documentation and memorabilia – and to sort it into categories- don’t want, duplication and what to retain or sell. They have a considerable collection of manuals and memorabilia to wade through, all donated by well-meaning people and it would seem not to have been well-controlled in the past. They were working through it all, but it was going to be a lengthy task.
Clearly, things have progressed since then and DAS are making a start on rationalising what they have – this is something that many other museums around the world do, and can be of benefit in funding both preservation and restoration.
I left the meetings with a clear impression that current 2012 team running DAS are professional and approachable – I wish them well for the future!
I believe at one time the DAS were also involved with putting on the air displays at Duxford in the early days (I seem to remember they alternated with IWM on this?) and generated considerable income from this too.
Yet again, this old chestnut that was started by the revisionistas of DAS! In the early days it was NOT the Duxford Aviation Society – the site at Duxford was created and operated by a triumvate of three organisations – Cambridgeshire County Council, the Imperial War Museum and the East Anglian Aviation Society who were in existence for at least four years until politics in the form of a very nasty coup saw the EAAS forced out.
This period of the museum’s history is often whitewashed over or conveniently forgotten!
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Many thanks for that! I’ll try and get my schoolboy french around it and post!
I’m still not discounting that it ‘is’ 1930, despite what the aviafrance site says – and I’m not saying they are wrong! Clearly the pic I have has ‘cut off’ mainplanes, so it could well be a complete mock up used for the 1930 salon where the aviafrance site is quoting actual build dates!
Oh the fun of research!
To be fair Graham, until recently, most DH products have required support from the manufacturer. Many have required full CofA issue, but can now be operated on a permit.
I’m just out of Papworth Heart Hospital Bruce – so I’m even more than my usual miserable cynical self!
All joking aside… I would love to see it happen, but…..
From what I can gather there are other issues here as well that come into the picture – and I am not casting doubt on anyone’s skills or qualifications – but from what I gather there are/were release of manufacturing drawing issues, re-stressing calculations and material changes that need to be taken into account.
Now I freely admit I am not privy to the details of that sort of information relating to the NZ DH98s – but I have had experience with other DH products. I just do not think that it’s going to be either as easy or even possible (and I slant towards the impossible) as a lot here seem to think.
What do you see as the fundamental differences between the Mosquito and the dH88, dH89, dH100 & dH110 then?
As far as I am aware – and of course, I’m happy to be corrected if I am wrong – the NZ DH98s do not have BAE Systems Product Support which is something that would be needed if they were to operate from the UK under the auspices of the CAA. This does not apply in NZ or the USA, which is where Jerry Yagen is operating them.
Aint gonna happen – not with all the product support and liability issues!
The latest catalogue from Brian Cocks!
I would’ve been nice if they put in a couple of rows of rearward facing seats and did a comparison!
I would suspect that without consultation with the copyright holder/s there could well be issues with just translating anything and then publishing in any form. There is a whole matter of rights to be considered here.
Yep…. it was a good end-of season show – even if the weather was bl**dy terrible at 8.30am!
Good to see – and chat – with a number from here in between flogging books!
Here endeth the end of our 27th year of trading at OW!
Saw a couple of Hellenic Air Force CL-415s at Preveza last month, along with a couple of NATO E-3As…… as usual, no photography allowed!
The wright brothers were the first to fly
Yep… I thought everyone knew it was Richard Pierce!
The wright brothers were the first to fly
Yep… I thought everyone knew it was Richard Pierce!