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  • in reply to: Airbus and Boeing Get together #561260
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    From Bloomberg : http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aIFU.bW71yjc&refer=top_world_news

    EADS Proposes Splitting U.S. Tanker Aircraft Award With Boeing

    Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) — The European Aeronautic Defense & Space Co., the parent of Airbus SAS, proposed splitting a contract to supply aerial refueling tankers to the U.S. Air Force with Boeing Co., said the company’s chief executive for North America.

    The Pentagon said last month it would open the award to new bidders after Congress withdrew an earlier proposal for 100 planes worth $23 billion to Boeing. Ralph Crosby, chairman and chief executive of EADS North America, told reporters at a conference in New York he has spoken to U.S. officials who support splitting the award. He declined to name the officials.

    The U.S. may need as many as 400 new tankers worth as much as $100 billion over the next 30 years to replace planes in service for more than 40 years. Congress killed the agreement with Boeing after an Air Force procurement official and a Boeing executive were convicted of violating federal conflict-of- interest laws.

    “Sole-source management has proved to be a bad technique,” Crosby said. “This is an approach I think deserves substantial consideration.”

    One possibility would be to give Airbus and Boeing 30 percent each of the orders, and allow them to compete for the remaining 40 percent, Crosby said.

    That approach would be affordable because both companies are planning to convert commercial aircraft for the tankers rather than design an entirely new aircraft only for use by the military. That means neither company would be totally reliant on government orders to support its production line, keeping production costs down, he said.

    Competition’s Benefits

    Competition would lower the government’s costs, even with the higher cost of maintaining a fleet of planes from two manufacturers, said Richard Aboulafia, vice president of Teal Group, a Fairfax, Virginia-based consulting company.

    “If it goes ahead, then given the size of the requirement, the savings from competitive price pressure would more than compensate for the higher fleet costs,” Aboulafia said in a phone interview. “Politically, it would accomplish some great objectives. You’d provide the Europeans with an incentive to stop subsidizing Airbus.”

    The U.S. government filed an initial World Trade Organization complaint on Oct. 6, claiming loans by European governments to Toulouse, France-based Airbus amount to illegal subsidies under global trade rules.

    Favorable Terms

    Congress killed the agreement with Boeing after it was disclosed that Air Force negotiator Darleen Druyun was simultaneously discussing a job offer at Boeing. She said in her guilty plea that she had given the company favorable terms.

    Congress eliminated the Boeing program and directed the Pentagon to complete as soon as possible a review of alternatives. Former Boeing Chief Financial Officer Michael Sears also pleaded guilty in the case.

    The Air Force would have leased 20 aircraft and purchased 80 from Boeing under the terms of the agreement negotiated by Druyun.

    On Oct. 11, Boeing Chief Executive Officer Harry Stonecipher said he expects Boeing to be chosen as the sole supplier of as many as 100 aerial-refueling tankers if the Pentagon decides to proceed with the program.

    “If there is a contract for tankers, as I feel quite confident, Boeing will get it,” he said on a conference call.

    John Pike, an analyst at GlobalSecurity.org, an Alexandria, Virginia-based defense research group, also said there has been talk of a sharing arrangement.

    `Brokered Deal’

    “There’s been some talk of a brokered deal where Boeing would get 80 percent and Airbus 20 percent to put the fear of the Lord into Boeing and preserve competition for large aircraft,” Pike said.

    Such a plan would be “dead on arrival” because the tanker program itself is “entirely unnecessary,” he said. Replacing the engines of the current fleet would be more cost-effective, he said.

    To make its bid more attractive to the U.S., EADS would work in partnership with “a major U.S. prime” defense contractor, EADS Co-Chief Executive Philippe Camus said at the conference, without identifying the company. Lockheed Martin Corp. and Northrop Grumman Corp. have both said they would consider working with EADS if there is a competition.

    EADS’s pursuit of the tanker award is part of $40 billion in military contracts the company will compete for as it seeks to expand its defense business in North America, Camus said. He expects the company to win at least $10 billion of the total, he said. The company currently gets about $1 billion in annual sales from non-commercial aircraft businesses in the U.S., Camus said.

    in reply to: Airbus and Boeing Get together #632203
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    From Bloomberg : http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aIFU.bW71yjc&refer=top_world_news

    EADS Proposes Splitting U.S. Tanker Aircraft Award With Boeing

    Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) — The European Aeronautic Defense & Space Co., the parent of Airbus SAS, proposed splitting a contract to supply aerial refueling tankers to the U.S. Air Force with Boeing Co., said the company’s chief executive for North America.

    The Pentagon said last month it would open the award to new bidders after Congress withdrew an earlier proposal for 100 planes worth $23 billion to Boeing. Ralph Crosby, chairman and chief executive of EADS North America, told reporters at a conference in New York he has spoken to U.S. officials who support splitting the award. He declined to name the officials.

    The U.S. may need as many as 400 new tankers worth as much as $100 billion over the next 30 years to replace planes in service for more than 40 years. Congress killed the agreement with Boeing after an Air Force procurement official and a Boeing executive were convicted of violating federal conflict-of- interest laws.

    “Sole-source management has proved to be a bad technique,” Crosby said. “This is an approach I think deserves substantial consideration.”

    One possibility would be to give Airbus and Boeing 30 percent each of the orders, and allow them to compete for the remaining 40 percent, Crosby said.

    That approach would be affordable because both companies are planning to convert commercial aircraft for the tankers rather than design an entirely new aircraft only for use by the military. That means neither company would be totally reliant on government orders to support its production line, keeping production costs down, he said.

    Competition’s Benefits

    Competition would lower the government’s costs, even with the higher cost of maintaining a fleet of planes from two manufacturers, said Richard Aboulafia, vice president of Teal Group, a Fairfax, Virginia-based consulting company.

    “If it goes ahead, then given the size of the requirement, the savings from competitive price pressure would more than compensate for the higher fleet costs,” Aboulafia said in a phone interview. “Politically, it would accomplish some great objectives. You’d provide the Europeans with an incentive to stop subsidizing Airbus.”

    The U.S. government filed an initial World Trade Organization complaint on Oct. 6, claiming loans by European governments to Toulouse, France-based Airbus amount to illegal subsidies under global trade rules.

    Favorable Terms

    Congress killed the agreement with Boeing after it was disclosed that Air Force negotiator Darleen Druyun was simultaneously discussing a job offer at Boeing. She said in her guilty plea that she had given the company favorable terms.

    Congress eliminated the Boeing program and directed the Pentagon to complete as soon as possible a review of alternatives. Former Boeing Chief Financial Officer Michael Sears also pleaded guilty in the case.

    The Air Force would have leased 20 aircraft and purchased 80 from Boeing under the terms of the agreement negotiated by Druyun.

    On Oct. 11, Boeing Chief Executive Officer Harry Stonecipher said he expects Boeing to be chosen as the sole supplier of as many as 100 aerial-refueling tankers if the Pentagon decides to proceed with the program.

    “If there is a contract for tankers, as I feel quite confident, Boeing will get it,” he said on a conference call.

    John Pike, an analyst at GlobalSecurity.org, an Alexandria, Virginia-based defense research group, also said there has been talk of a sharing arrangement.

    `Brokered Deal’

    “There’s been some talk of a brokered deal where Boeing would get 80 percent and Airbus 20 percent to put the fear of the Lord into Boeing and preserve competition for large aircraft,” Pike said.

    Such a plan would be “dead on arrival” because the tanker program itself is “entirely unnecessary,” he said. Replacing the engines of the current fleet would be more cost-effective, he said.

    To make its bid more attractive to the U.S., EADS would work in partnership with “a major U.S. prime” defense contractor, EADS Co-Chief Executive Philippe Camus said at the conference, without identifying the company. Lockheed Martin Corp. and Northrop Grumman Corp. have both said they would consider working with EADS if there is a competition.

    EADS’s pursuit of the tanker award is part of $40 billion in military contracts the company will compete for as it seeks to expand its defense business in North America, Camus said. He expects the company to win at least $10 billion of the total, he said. The company currently gets about $1 billion in annual sales from non-commercial aircraft businesses in the U.S., Camus said.

    in reply to: Boeing discusses 7E7 at Progress Summit II #568148
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    The 737 is the last “real” Boeing, it has character, hope they will not change it too much, when they will upgrade it with 7e7 technology. The best looking Boeing is still the 727-200 !!

    @Bmused55
    Nothing against the A319, A320 or A300, they have something, too, especially the A300 is very elegant -for me much more then the 767, but that is just my personel opinion. I haven´t made my mind regarding the A380, guess to have see it in real life to decide.

    @Arthur
    The only good looking russian commercial airliner is the TU-154. The TU 204 is more a copy of the 757 and A320 family, the IL 86 is a bad copy of the A300 with 4 engines and a bad performance…and the new TU 334 is like its predecessor TU-134 butt ugly 😉 Sorry, to say that, but russian commercial airliner are mostly ugly, didn´t say anything about military jets and transport planes, though 😉

    in reply to: Boeing discusses 7E7 at Progress Summit II #634236
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    The 737 is the last “real” Boeing, it has character, hope they will not change it too much, when they will upgrade it with 7e7 technology. The best looking Boeing is still the 727-200 !!

    @Bmused55
    Nothing against the A319, A320 or A300, they have something, too, especially the A300 is very elegant -for me much more then the 767, but that is just my personel opinion. I haven´t made my mind regarding the A380, guess to have see it in real life to decide.

    @Arthur
    The only good looking russian commercial airliner is the TU-154. The TU 204 is more a copy of the 757 and A320 family, the IL 86 is a bad copy of the A300 with 4 engines and a bad performance…and the new TU 334 is like its predecessor TU-134 butt ugly 😉 Sorry, to say that, but russian commercial airliner are mostly ugly, didn´t say anything about military jets and transport planes, though 😉

    in reply to: B767-400ER #571013
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    The 757-300 is in the same league, I beleive Northwest asked for it.

    Actually Lufthansa´s Charter-Airline Condor has asked for it as a DC-10 replacement.

    in reply to: B767-400ER #635381
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    The 757-300 is in the same league, I beleive Northwest asked for it.

    Actually Lufthansa´s Charter-Airline Condor has asked for it as a DC-10 replacement.

    in reply to: Would the F-18 be the better choice for Norway #2673531
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    Had Norway didn´t shown interested in the €-Fighter at sometime ?

    in reply to: Would the F-18 be the better choice for Norway #2673962
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    The same reason why Switzerland did. 😉

    …and that woudl be ?

    in reply to: Would the F-18 be the better choice for Norway #2673978
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    Why did Finnland go with F-18 (yes I know not F/A-18) instead of F-16s ?

    in reply to: Boeing discusses 7E7 at Progress Summit II #573140
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    You mean that of the Caravelle :diablo: ?

    Did you know that the front of the Caravelle is actually the same as of the Comet ? Read sometime ago that it was that way to reduce costs.

    in reply to: Boeing discusses 7E7 at Progress Summit II #636392
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    You mean that of the Caravelle :diablo: ?

    Did you know that the front of the Caravelle is actually the same as of the Comet ? Read sometime ago that it was that way to reduce costs.

    in reply to: Tornado vs Viggen #2674567
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    Well I wonder why the Viggen was not a success outside of Sweden since it is such a great airplane. It´s predecessor the Draken- if you can call it the predecessor of the Viggen I am not quite sure – was a used by some Air Forces outside Sweden why not the Viggen aswell.
    The Tornado only has one export success with Saudi-Arabia -one more than the Viggen. But the Tornado on the other hand is the “back-bone” of three important Nato-Countries.
    I heard a rumor that the Tornado was not such a great export success because the US didn´t allow to sell it because some of its parts like the radar are valuable US-technoloy and the US didn´t want some countries to have these.

    in reply to: Boeing discusses 7E7 at Progress Summit II #574419
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    Doesn’t look quite as radical a design now as the initial design drawings showed.

    From that picture it seems that LH made too many proposals and turned the once radical 7e7 into a “boring” A300 :diablo:

    in reply to: Boeing discusses 7E7 at Progress Summit II #636944
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    Doesn’t look quite as radical a design now as the initial design drawings showed.

    From that picture it seems that LH made too many proposals and turned the once radical 7e7 into a “boring” A300 :diablo:

    in reply to: 8 P-3C for $970M? #2675736
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    the australians are being offered a partnership in the 737 however i dont think they will sign on.

    I just read that they will keep their P-3s for a while and are not looking for a replacement. The 737 would make sense though, since they already fly the 737 wedge tail AWACS.

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