kev35,
your take on the British born Pakistanis is in some sort spot on. But let me give the reasons for this type of behavior, EDUCATION. The people who first moved to UK were not very well educated and thus follow a very crude understanding of the environment around them. Their children were indeed born in UK and joined the education institutes here but then u have to remember that half of the child’s education (behavioral and personality related) is from his home.
You can relate to it in a manner that two children of 10 yr of age, one having parents living together and the other having seen their parents going through an ugly divorce. Their personality would reflect the experiences they had.
So coming back to my points the integration of the Pakistanis in UK was therefore indeed on the NHS or legal aid level but not on a social level. So when they see their children going towards the social integration they have to print the same ideology which they had in their mind to keep their children away from social interaction.
This ideology is some times given a Religious color, some times given a cultural color and some times a racist color. But eventually the next generation would remember the divide even lesser and as time progresses the integration would go towards both social and economical one.
I hope all this made any sense
Cheers
kev35,
your take on the British born Pakistanis is in some sort spot on. But let me give the reasons for this type of behavior, EDUCATION. The people who first moved to UK were not very well educated and thus follow a very crude understanding of the environment around them. Their children were indeed born in UK and joined the education institutes here but then u have to remember that half of the child’s education (behavioral and personality related) is from his home.
You can relate to it in a manner that two children of 10 yr of age, one having parents living together and the other having seen their parents going through an ugly divorce. Their personality would reflect the experiences they had.
So coming back to my points the integration of the Pakistanis in UK was therefore indeed on the NHS or legal aid level but not on a social level. So when they see their children going towards the social integration they have to print the same ideology which they had in their mind to keep their children away from social interaction.
This ideology is some times given a Religious color, some times given a cultural color and some times a racist color. But eventually the next generation would remember the divide even lesser and as time progresses the integration would go towards both social and economical one.
I hope all this made any sense
Cheers
A tragic loss for a nation in particular and for the world in general. At this time of uncertainity where militants were reacting strongly in Pakistan this was just the thing which should have been avoided at all cost. Unfortunately evil got what he wanted and a leader which beleive in democracy is no more.
The next biggest injustice could be that if there is no official explaination regarding the circumstances in which she died. Looking at the quick clean up of the site and no post martum i think we are heading for yet another leader dead under mysterious circumstances.
PS: She was shot i know but which callibre bullet was used and was it a snipper hit or the mad man shot her and blew herself up. The truth should be known to everyone.
A tragic loss for a nation in particular and for the world in general. At this time of uncertainity where militants were reacting strongly in Pakistan this was just the thing which should have been avoided at all cost. Unfortunately evil got what he wanted and a leader which beleive in democracy is no more.
The next biggest injustice could be that if there is no official explaination regarding the circumstances in which she died. Looking at the quick clean up of the site and no post martum i think we are heading for yet another leader dead under mysterious circumstances.
PS: She was shot i know but which callibre bullet was used and was it a snipper hit or the mad man shot her and blew herself up. The truth should be known to everyone.
My friend what religion does is provide a guideline (a definition) between good and bad.
Some people think being homosexual is good and other think its bad. So where should the definition come from? A society ultimately plunges in terms of moral values when these guidelines are ignored/contradicted.
Religion is from within our self. What this means is being a good person (to others) will eventually grant you being good in terms of ur religion which could be xyz. The guidelines are their to prevent degradation of values. These values are of combined society. Their were times when scientists were ordered to be hanged because he presented the opinion of Earth not being the center of earth. Now you have this is a fundamental and acceptable principal. Sex outside marriage was considered a rare thing and now you have official institutes (Church) allowing Gay marriages.
Is this progress? Is this freedom? Is this secularism? A crude look into our society in general will reveal in which direction we are going?
My friend what religion does is provide a guideline (a definition) between good and bad.
Some people think being homosexual is good and other think its bad. So where should the definition come from? A society ultimately plunges in terms of moral values when these guidelines are ignored/contradicted.
Religion is from within our self. What this means is being a good person (to others) will eventually grant you being good in terms of ur religion which could be xyz. The guidelines are their to prevent degradation of values. These values are of combined society. Their were times when scientists were ordered to be hanged because he presented the opinion of Earth not being the center of earth. Now you have this is a fundamental and acceptable principal. Sex outside marriage was considered a rare thing and now you have official institutes (Church) allowing Gay marriages.
Is this progress? Is this freedom? Is this secularism? A crude look into our society in general will reveal in which direction we are going?
Or perhaps the next time they plan to hit commercial planes into any building or to hide the exact location where a commercial jet linner was suppose to have crashed…. link the dots. 🙂
Considering the fact that Islam is a continuation of previous existing Religions. Well these religions all came from God (you can give any name to HIM). Anyways the point is as simple. Any state, let it be the secular states of the Europe have prescribed certain punishments against a crime. This is the basic understanding. To stop people from doing bad you have to let them know about the consequences. Same is the Sharia Law as well. The idea in both the cases, Sharia Law or Secular Law of any Country is… to discourage people to act in a criminal fashion. I am sure no secular country can be proud of the fact that X number of people are in jail because of crime they performed. The ultimate goal is to have least number of crimes and a justice system which is across the board. Thanks!
Islam gives freedom for other religions to practice their beliefs, Examples include Malaysia, where a healthy population of Chinese descent practice buddhism.
I hope i have not been impolite to anyone’s belief and hope my message should be taken in the same spirit it was posted. Thanks!
Considering the fact that Islam is a continuation of previous existing Religions. Well these religions all came from God (you can give any name to HIM). Anyways the point is as simple. Any state, let it be the secular states of the Europe have prescribed certain punishments against a crime. This is the basic understanding. To stop people from doing bad you have to let them know about the consequences. Same is the Sharia Law as well. The idea in both the cases, Sharia Law or Secular Law of any Country is… to discourage people to act in a criminal fashion. I am sure no secular country can be proud of the fact that X number of people are in jail because of crime they performed. The ultimate goal is to have least number of crimes and a justice system which is across the board. Thanks!
Islam gives freedom for other religions to practice their beliefs, Examples include Malaysia, where a healthy population of Chinese descent practice buddhism.
I hope i have not been impolite to anyone’s belief and hope my message should be taken in the same spirit it was posted. Thanks!
The thread already exist. Pleas merge this information into the already existing thread. Thanks.
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FC-1 is a Chinese/Pakistan venture. Both countries have different platforms. China has mostly russian platforms where as Pakistan has American. So the FC-1 for Pakistan will have link 16 support? The first batch seems all Chinese affair.
Seems pretty clear, the RD-33 is a done deal. The only issues left is to get the flight testing done and according to the satisfaction of the parties involved.
Interesting to see everything materializing at the given time. Any word on the proposed western avionics package for Pakistan version of FC-1. Or they are just happy with the all Chinese first batch?
A question regarding the FC-1. Considering the rapid development its going through, what are the most concerned factors facing the project at this given time frame?
Lately this thread has become quite intresting. But to my and i guess someother members bad luck “Non Relevant” discussion is prevailing so far? Anyways like its said after much bytes are wasted, some sense of sanity shall prevail, its only a matter of time. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
I guess nobody wants to live in fear. US constant threats to North Korea and its actions against Iraq and Afghanistan made it absolutely necessary for NK to go Nuclear. I guess KIM acheived on goal and that was to “take him seriously”. Time shall tell if it was for the good of NK or for the worse.