Might is Right??/ Even the cave people knew that. I wonder so much of development has been unable to change the very fact. Y bother spending more time when basic principals r to remain same 🙂
Ny comments guys

I always complaining and blaming is a loser’s job, no need to over react to any such development because We are a complete ,a proud and a confident nation, we can deal with such situations.we r not gonna finished anyway.

Well definately a Nation is capable of remarkable abilities and thus needs role models to move forward. People drive aspiration from National heroes? Aint this the perceise thing that has been taken away from Pakistan? Who ever was considered as a hero was taken out of the equation ( Prime Minister Bhutto champion of democracy, A Q Khan father of nuclear Pakistan, Whose Next?). Sorry to point some harsh realities right in the face but Military has been using the India stance for long time to keep in power and race. Now comes the Internal threat stance and try to keep the nation busy over internal disputes rather then looking at the bigger picture of where it stands on the world stage. If still u claim this nation after being kept busy on non important issues for a good time of its life can manage another miracle ( Being Nuclear power under tough conditions being first) well thats another thing.
A Nation needs to find its focus to excel. What is the focus for this nation these days? I leave the answer for you to answer.

Seems its the case mate. I wonder who is crying wolf here may be its me may be its you people. Thats for sure that only time can tell. You have my admiration for choosing not to continue into the discussion anymore. I guess i was thinking of the same for quite sometime but may be for the sake of it was in the discussion.
I like to put it to end by a little conclusion on my part that from all the discussion it seems (leaving the part were both parties got personnel) we as muslim need to understand the working of western culture and thus be more realistic in terms of whom to blame in case of any problem. As part of western culture they seem to have to figure what aspirations can drive a muslim to the edge so that to the very fact that he is ready to give his life? Call it brain washing call it religious fanatics but seriously life is precious weather its a muslim, jew, christian or anyother human being?? Y should one give it away so cheaply? must b a driving force.
IF WE TRY WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND DIFFERENCE SHALL BE MADE IN TIMES TO COME.

Well partly your right as the thread is persumed for missiles and strategic defences and its not wrong to persume that in the past F-16 was the primary method of delivering weapons across the boarder of a hostile nation ( kekekeke talk abt selection of words). So my point in that regard was cosidering if India goes with the F-16 option they will effective know the capability of the Pakistani Airforce.
Well the whole Bush visit to South East Asia give me the following future hints for Pakistan which i guess are related to this link:
1- Go ahead with China for a Nuclear & Missile deal more openly (having India/America excuse now).
2- Change strategy interms of depending upon F-16 as a main Aircraft for future ( buying 70 odd aircrafts hardly give an indication that they plan to switch to JF-17 in near future).
3- Barbar missile ( the big mystery).

To end my analysis of Pakistan military as compared to any hostile nation (kekeke u know what i mean but lets persume u dont). The analysis is Pakistan had lost the race for conventional weapons long before and the Nuclear race considering the latest development also seems sliping away, depending wht was really discussed regarding Missile and Nuclear technology in Mush visit to china is the big question as much importance was given to the JF-17 stuff. May b Musharaf is caught unprepared regarding USA decision to go Nuclear with India.
Coming time will be intresting to see if Pakistan opts to keep in the race or try to salvage pride by giving empty statements…
Comments guys… It was not ment to be offensive just reality i hope some would agree.

Lame arguments

A-2-S

Its single avowed political intent is the eradication of another Country and the destruction of its people. That is tantamount to a declaration of war.

kev35

I am afraid but same policy can be interpretted for USA as seen before in Afghanistan now in Iraq in future may b Iran may b Syria may b Pakistan who knowz i wonder is that democracy?
As alwayz your hiding behind self created assumptions. I put forward to you clear evidences regarding british behavior and yet you still dont feel like expecting all that coz i guess you dont expect captures of USA and Brition to act in this inhuman way but feel the severe temptation to raise your voice against a person who is voicing his anger.

I thought Al-Zawhari’s speech released today was quite enlightening.

And where did i said that he is the representative of muslim world?

There, questions answered. I will deal with your earlier diatribe when I have more time.

Umm well atleast i get to know what kind of a man i am dealing with from the one sided answers i got, no surprise though.

Which Politician? Which Country? Please elucidate with evidence and sources.

President in his address where he announced the attack on Afghanistan specifically used the word Crusade to define the war. But i guess you were not listening perhaps at the time.

Have you seen British people on the streets threatening Muslims with violence because of their Religion? No, but an element of the Muslim community have publicly threatened British people.

Yes the two british special ops personel disguised in Arab outfit were caught by Iraqi official authorities after they shot dead one police officer. As they were detained in the Prision for further action the british army attacked the compound and leveled one side of the prision to secure the two gentleman. Do i need to mention the fair play british force played and is playing in Abu Ghraib prison regarding the treatment of prisoners. Yes i can see the Bristish urgue to play fair. Man you must be really blind to say all that when the reality is infront of you.
And still if your the type which want to see evidence to believe something here u go http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/12/AR2006021200166.html/ Hurry for the high values the British bring to the world around….

“Do you condemn Israel act of seizing the money of Palestines democratically elected Gov?”

No. If a Democratically elected Government has money to spare, perhaps they should consider the use of said money to provide healthcare and education for their citizens rather than buying them guns?

Man do u even have the slightest idea of wht your saying, a democratic gov means it represent the people and thus is free in actions to perform in what ever manner they seek. If i say USA has the highest military budget and spending billions in war in Afghanistan and Iraq when in their own home people effected by Katrina (the storm) are helpless and no benefits are available to them to recover from what is lost????
Doesnt your logic suggest that USA should pull back from the war and concentrate the money over in its own problems???? But then that is USA it has the rite to do that but Palestines Gov which needs the money to pay for the salaries of the staff and other goods of use have its money blocked coz they will buy guns??? WHAT a joke?? Give proof for this ???

A-2-S, I got two questions, so I can understand.. Because there is much hatred spread around and I don’t seem to know what exactly does the other side want.

Thanks man for their is a reasonable try to find out the problem cause here. I respect this effort and will hope may be we can get the message across.

Question 1:
What exactly should the Danish newspaper after the unfortunate joke do, so that Muslims are satisfied? IIRC, they have apologized but this does not seem enough.. What more do you feel they should do, what are your expectations in this case?
Question 2:
What exactly should be done so that Muslims are generally satisfied so that reasons for extremism and terrorism vanish? Israeli land returned to Palestine? Apologies for Crusades from 12th century? Is that enough? Or much more is required? You can write it as extensively as you want..

Man if you have gone through my earlier posts regarding the reason for the protests in which i mentioned that most part of the act is done to show their frustration against their own rulers as a good part of the rulers in muslim countries dont represent their people. Nyways ill try my best to give the answer to your questions
As per Question 1 is concerned you firstly need to know the sensitivity regarding the incident. According to the setup we have in most of the muslim world the Gov or the Ruler is responsible for what happens from that world. Like for instance anything will happen in israel and Hamas will be held responsible similar is the understanding regarding the Denmark so that is y an apology from the danish gov was asked. I guess most of the people will be content to the fact that the Danish Gov will apologize for this event and ensure that such incident wont prevail in times to come.
As per question 2 is concerned man the root cause for all the conflicts if resolved will make the world a better place. Palestine if resolved in accordance with the wishes of Palestine people ?? well the muslim world is happy. Kashmir if resolved as per the wishes of the Kashmir people well Muslim world is happy. You bomb a muslim country and then expect why muslims are getting extermist and doing such acts? well the point is in muslim world at grass root level their is not concept of Nationalism rather Religion is the binding idendity. The Gov of the muslim world will introduce the concept of country but in peoples mind all muslims any where form a single entity just like an EU. its not effective as compared to that but only due to the reasons of the Gov. So all this is said to show you the internal strugle within the world which causes these outbursts against the west because mostly the WEST and USA is seen to support the Gov and not the people. So when the people see two enemies one their Gov and other those supporting them.
Ideally whats in the past is done and should not be mentioned. For peace in future i think we must try minimize the influence of the WEST and Europe on the Muslim countries and let them try to figure out a way to solve the problems within (i have already mentioned solving some land disputes with help of all nations).
I hope may be an idealistic view but may the representing the aspirations of a majority of people in muslim world. Some of it is based on reality and some of it on wishful thinking. How much will you agree to this ill like to know. Thanks n Regards Flex

okay Kev

Simple questions, no debate, just give honest straightforward answers.

Will you publicly condemn all acts of terror committed against Muslims?

Will you publicly condemn a politition calling for CRUSADE against Muslim countries?

Will you publicly condemn the burning down homes of innocent muslims?

Do you condemn Israel act of seizing the money of Palestines democratically elected Gov?

Will you publicly condemn all acts of incitement against the Muslim Faith?

A-2-S

Simple questions, no debate, just give honest straightforward answers.

Will you publicly condemn all acts of terror committed by those of Muslim Faith?

Define Act of Terror? If a palestiniane throwing stones at a armed personnel carrier after they have leveled his home is an act of terrorrism then i dont condemn it and if act of terrorism means burning of religious places like a Church etc then yes i call it an act of terrorism and expect the same to be 1 when done against my faith (burning of a mosque etc).

Will you publicly condemn the marchers in London carrying plaques inciting Religious hatred and violence?

Too general term please give details regarding wht you call as inciting religious hatred?

Will you publicly condemn the burning down of Embassies?

Yes i agree to the very fact that this act does not justify in one form or the other the aspirations of the Muslim faith. But then i never said i am pro for this act. The religious leaders and in some cases the Gov themself have used these acts for their own agenda.

Will you publicly condemn followers of Islam who are using any excuse available to further their own aims?

Such a person doesnt stand for islam if he aint in all this for the same purpose as others, how can i take side with such a person. I dont stand for any person who aint in this for the soul purpose that this act was not good and to stop this act. The path to stop this act can be different which for some meanz asking the Denmark for an Apology or to boycott Danish goodz etc.

Will you publicly condemn all incitement to violence by members of the Muslim Faith?

Too general term for me to be pro or against. If in Iraq and Afghanistan where muslims are being killed just for fc*kN oil and resources and you expect any1 asking to fight back as incitement to violence then i dont condemn it at all as every1 has a right to defend oneself.
if EU can come up with a joint declaration or a stand regarding any of its member country then whts wrong with the muslim world to practice the same?

Would you agree that any Muslim with extremist views is not a true follower of the Prophet who preaches peace and tolerance?

Again wht is your defination of extremist? If a person wants his women to cover herself from head to toe and you call such person as extremist then sorry i dont agree with you.

The problem is that you have been constantly told what is an extremist and wht is not?? you have dictators working inaccordance with the views of USA are fine and a democratically elected gov being axis of evil???/ I wonder isnt this all politics and to build a world view against so called enemies of the humanity?
If you beleive in democracy then also beleive in what the people want? People in middle east want control over their own resources?? but then this meanz no monoply over oil for USA so….. their goes your pro democracy stance?? In Pakistan where you want to get rid of so called terrorist which were Mujahadinz (freedom fighters) when USSR was in Afghanistan … then u are more then happy to support a dictator.
Aint these double standards??? i dont hear protests around EU regarding this open violation and mocary rather you would have Open protest against OPEC over high oil prices.
thing is simple man if gov dont represent ppl then another force will emerge which will represent the people? The so called Religious leaders may be working for their own agendas but they r doing so because in the first place ppl aint gettn their voice heard n a simple reason for all tht is the double standards which west n usa have regarding their own intrests in the Muslim world.