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  • in reply to: What's that … fake or #2612102
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    My best bet is that its fake.

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2612106
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    ^^^ Boeing will not offer the F-15 Eagle for India’s forthcoming fighter needs. “The F-15 will not be offered.”

    http://www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2005/06/16/Navigation/178/199625/Boeing+plans+Super+Hornet+offer+to+India.html

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2612116
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    Boeing will not offer the F-15 Eagle for India’s forthcoming fighter needs but would like to offer the latest Block 2 version of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the company said.

    [u]The Block 2 includes advanced systems such as the APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array, Advanced Targeting FLIR and Multi-Functional Information Distribution System. [/u]

    Co-production with India is likely.

    http://www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2005/06/16/Navigation/178/199625/Boeing+plans+Super+Hornet+offer+to+India.html

    We will have 190 MKI’s so why not get something different even if its marginally inferior to the MKI ???…it will make unkil happy too ๐Ÿ™‚

    in reply to: Mig-21 bison vs FC-1 #2612492
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    Mig-21 bison’s radar-The Koyopo-M

    Kopyo was the first private venture radar by Phazotron. Drawing on technology developed for the Zhuk radar, Phazotron produced Kopyo as a lighter, smaller radar suitable for equipping trainers and light attack aircraft as well as for upgrading older aircraft like the MiG-21. It uses both high PRF and medium PRF modes for optimum detection and tracking at all aspects. Kopyo weighs 120kg, occupies 250dm3, with a 500mm antenna that achieves 29dB gain. Tracking limits of the radar are ยฑ40ยฐ. Kopyo has 2 recievers, and transmits with a peak power of 5kw, 1kw average. It uses an MPS data processor, and a TS175 digital computer. Its MTBF is 120 hours. Kopyo has an air-to-air track-while-scan (“SNP”) mode, it tracks 10 targets, and engages 2 simultaneously. The simultaneous engagement capability has been demonstrated. It retains a single target track mode. Search range is 57km headon and 25 – 30 km pursuit, with a tracking range of 45km, against a 3 sq m RCS target. It has vertical scan, automatic HUD scan (+- 14ยฐ), optical (pilot selected target on HUD) and helmet close combat modes. Air-to-surface operating modes are comprehensive, something Phazotron only introduced in the current crop of radar designs. There are three mapping modes; low resolution (real beam); medium resolution (Doppler beam sharpening, 10:1); high resolution (synthetic aperture, 100:1). Allows detection of moving ground targets, sea surface search, map freezing and interfaces with the Kh-31A antiship missile for target handoff.

    Air-to-air operating mode

    1. Detection range (Ddet), km:

    – against free airspace:
    head-on >50
    in pursuit >30
    – against surface background:
    head-on >50
    in pursuit >25

    2. Single target detection and tracking range 0.75 Ddet
    3. Track-while-scan with simultaneous engagement of two targets
    4. Air-to-air missile targeting and launch zone generation
    5. Close air combat in the following modes of radar operation

    – vertical
    – collimating
    – visual, with the helmet-mounted target designator used
    – interfacing with the helmet-mounted target designator
    – interfacing with the R-27, RVV-AE and R-73E missiles
    – radar built-in test

    Air-to-surface operating mode:

    – mapping:
    low resolution (real beam)
    medium resolution (Doppler sharpening beam)
    high resolution (synthetic aperture)
    – interfacing with the Kh-31A antiship missile
    – detection of moving ground targets

    Check out this picture : http://img279.echo.cx/img279/8732/niirkopyomfront1wu.jpg

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2612594
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    Indian Air Force Can Gain

    The IAF has pitched in writing to the Government for an Aerospace Command at the Southern Air Command at Trivandrum in a well articulated paper and that will please the USA. Their experience can help India in Aero Space Command immensely with technology for joint cooperation of warnings. In a very well researched article by Ravi Sharma who lives and breathes planes in Bangalore, writing in the latest Frontline, tells us that the 3 DRDO/ADA LCA Tejas fighters which had done only 400 simple flights so far โ€“โ€“ at 1.4 MACH, 4G pressure, at 15000 meters and 20 degree angle of attack โ€“โ€“ had a long way to go to be weaponised and in this regard the US can help with Avionics, weapon fits and APG 67 radars of the F-16 variety. He says the IAF is never going to be happy with the Indian Multi Mode radar, which was initiated 10 years ago and today Active electronic scanning ASEA is the name of the aerial combat game. Please see IDC story on the JSF 35 on our site.

    The weaponisation programme, the most difficult part of a fighter programme for Tejas, is haphazard and hard points are yet to come though. Hormuz Mama on the other hand tells us that the LCA is on its way for weaponisation and is also wary. Hence leaning on USA for the LCA through F-16 is an answer and USA knows it, but lets see if Indian planners look at these options. DRDO controlling the funds has spent freely on this $1 billion plus project. World over except in Communist Russia or China has a development agency delivered a production fighter easily and DRDO is trying to that with HAL help. All HAL will do is to continue to milk the ADA and the IAF, and why not, as it knows DRDO can never become a BAe or Lockheed Martin but it has the money.

    a part form http://www.indiadefence.com/usdefpact3.htm

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2612600
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    Targeting F-35 JSF โ€“โ€“ Indian Navyโ€™s Masterstroke

    In a significant move the Indian Navy categorically stated its preference for Lockheed Martinโ€™s F-35 JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) over Boeingโ€™s F/A-18E/F โ€˜Super Hornetโ€™ offered by the United States. Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Arun Prakash, himself a distinguished naval fighter pilot, expressed as much while speaking to reporters after commissioning INS Beas, a Brahmaputra Class Guided Missile armed Helicopter carrying Frigate (FFGH) at the Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Ltd, Kolkata on July 11, 2005.

    The CNS cited the inherent incompatibility of the Super Hornet with the aircraft carriers of the Indian Navy, which incorporate the concept of Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR), in absence of the steam catapults necessary for the Super Hornets for take-off. On the other hand, the Indian aircraft carriers utilise the โ€œski-jumpโ€ that forms an integral part of the STOBAR operations. The Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing (STOVL) version of the F-35B being developed for United States Marine Corps (USMC) can utilise the ski-jump for take-off and would be more suitable for the Indian Navy.

    If the F-35 enters service with Indian Navy the CNS is perhaps well aware of the โ€œtechnological leapโ€ that the IN and Indian aerospace industry would obtain, along with transfer of technology for license manufacture. Incidentally, the top brass of the US Aerospace Giant Lockheed Martin had expressed a wish to see the F-35 flying in Indian Air Force (IAF) colours โ€“โ€“ indeed during Aero India 2005 the Company had depicted F-35 models in IAF colours as a promotional measure. Alongside other variants, the F-35B STOVL variant is projected to be developed into an advanced attack aircraft with outstanding Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) capability, to be operated from multiple types of naval platforms ranging from medium attack carriers, British Invincible Class STOVL carriers, Helicopter carrying Landing Platforms (LPH) and even from forward battlefield areas or further interior of beachheads.

    The Lockheed-Martin F-35 resembles a single-engine version of the same company’s F/A-22 Raptor, retaining a high degree of stealthy contouring. The F-35B STOVL version under development features a vertically mounted “lift fan” behind the cockpit, driven by a shaft off the Pratt & Whitney F119 engine, with a three bearing swivelling vectored exhaust nozzle and two exhaust ducts, extending from each side of the engine to exit in the bottom of the wings for roll control. The lift fan approach minimises hot exhaust ingestion back into the engine. Infra Red (IR) signature also remains โ€œunder controlโ€. The engine intake ducting is arranged in a “serpentine” fashion to eliminate radar reflections from the compressor blades. However production aircraft will be powered by either the F135 or the F136 turbofan being developed by General Electric and Rolls Royce.

    The F-35 is designed to operate strictly with internal weapons during initial phases of an air campaign in “first day stealth” mode to perform stealthy strikes on the enemy air defence network including ground-based radar, Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) launchers and their command & control nodes in SEAD role and to strike at heavily defended targets. In such mode, weapons are restricted in two parallel internal bays each with two hard-points located in front of the landing gear. Prominent weapons to be carried internally include Global Positioning System (GPS)-guided Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM), Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW), Paveway II Laser Guided Bombs (LBG) and AIM-120C AMRAAM Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM). Internal JDAM carrying capability of F-35B STOVL is limited two 450-kg loads. However the point of concern is the possible restriction of weapon loads in internal bays to US made weapons only. The Indian Navy will do well to clarify this particular aspect.

    In later phases of a conflict, with enemy air defence network sufficiently shattered, heavier external loads like Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM) and Storm Shadow cruise missile may be carried compromising โ€œstealthโ€ attributes to a certain degree. For further enhancement of its impressive range, thanks to the efficient engines, the F-35B has a retractable refuelling probe on the right side of the nose for in-flight refuelling.

    For IN the โ€œprize catchโ€ will be the F-35โ€™s sensors and the heart of it is the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-81 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, based on the AN/APG-77 AESA set developed for the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. The AESA set consists of an array of Transmitter-Receiver (T/R) modules linked by high-speed processors. Different T/R modules in the array can be allocated to different tasks providing wide range of functions, thus acting as a multimode radar, active jamming system, passive electronic defense system, and communications system. The system generates signals over a wide range of frequencies and pulse patterns in an unpredictable fashion to ensure Low Probability of Intercept (LPI), successfully โ€œfoolingโ€œ enemy Radar Warning Receivers (RWR).

    The AN/APG-81 uses advanced technology compared to the F-22’s AN/APG-77, but airframe constraints mean that it has fewer T/R modules, thus limiting its range to 165 km. The radar system will also incorporate the agile beam steering capabilities developed for the APG-77. Since US media reports indicate Bush administrationโ€™s clearance for possible transfer of sensitive radar technology like Raytheon AN/APG-79 AESA radar of the Super Hornet to India, diplomatic bargaining to secure the AN/APG-81 AESA radar may well bear fruit. Higher echelons of present US administration have repeatedly expressed their desire to witness the emergence of India into a robust continental military power.

    A Lockheed Martin Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) embedded under the F-35โ€™s nose will provide long-range detection and precision targeting, along with the Northrop Grumman DAS (Distributed Aperture System) thermal imaging system. EOTS will be based on the Sniper XL pod developed for the F-16, which incorporates a โ€œthird generationโ€ Mid-Wave Forward Looking Infra Red (MWFLIR) with possibly staring focal plane technology, dual mode laser, CCD TV, laser spot tracker and laser marker. Interestingly, EOTS is not turret-mounted, but has a wide aperture that is blended into the aircraft’s nose contours, covered by a window that is opaque to radar. On their part, DAS sensors fitted at multiple locations on the aircraft consist of multiple infrared cameras providing full-sphere 360-degrees coverage using advanced signal conditioning algorithms. The DAS provides navigation, missile warning and Infra Red Search & Track (IRST) as well as situational awareness.

    Indoโ€“US cooperation is at an all time high after โ€œ9/11โ€ with all branches of the Armed Forces of both the nations striving hard to attain inter-operability and joint-cooperation on a grand scale. The Indian Navy was perhaps the first to adapt radically to the changed circumstances, as it was the only service that has long maintained โ€œactive foreign military linksโ€ by conducting extensive maritime exercises with foreign navies. It was also becoming apparent that it is in the naval sphere where active Indo-US military cooperation robustly lies in keeping Sea Lines Of Communication (SLOC) open in vast stretches of the Indian Ocean. Already the United States plans to have an Indian Navy official on the staff of the United States Pacific Command acting as liaison officer, to bring in more cooperation and understanding between the two armed forces in fighting global terror, as disclosed a few months ago by Admiral William Fallon, Commander of the United States Pacific Command. In this respect Admiral Fallon stated that he had held discussions on this issue with Indian Navyโ€™s Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Arun Prakash during his visit to Washington.

    Under such a backdrop the Indian Navy may gradually induct a considerable number of United States origin military equipment and systems as a common inventory will be highly desirable for both the nations in terms of joint-exercises and inter-operability. Certain critical naval systems are already on offer that range from P-3C Orion Long Range Maritime Patrol (LRMP) platforms, ship-borne SH-60 Sea Hawk Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) helicopters to second-hand yet capable Spruance Class Guided missile armed Destroyers (DDG) and Oliver Hazard Perry Class Guided missile armed Frigates (FFG).

    Yet how United States reacts to the bold assertion of Admiral Arun Prakash in โ€œselectingโ€ the fifth-generation F-35 JSF needs to be seen. Certainly the US is well aware of the fact that in terms of possession of certain military hardware and operating philosophy and practice India has touched the developed world and is no longer regarded as a third-world military power

    http://www.indiadefence.com/F35JSF.htm

    in reply to: Boring looking aircraft #2612843
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    F-15 E
    P-3 C
    all aiplanes with a dull paint scheme

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2612845
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    Lockheed to offer us F-35’s

    A rapidly expanding Indo-US story, one that begins with F-16s and moves on to F-35s, the joint strike fighter of the future.

    Richard Kirkland, vice president of Lockheed Martin, would like his $34-billion defence empire to be an important chapter in the rapidly expanding Indo-US story, one that begins with F-16s and moves on to F-35s, the joint strike fighter of the future. Excerpts from an interview:

    Why should India buy fighter aircraft from the US?

    This is new to both sides but there is a dialogue between our two governments as to where we ought to be going. We have common interests in national security, protection of sources of energy, space and business. We see the relationship in much broader terms.

    It is one of those grand inflexion points in history and the crown jewel of that is the F-16. Our philosophy is one in which we establish enduring relationships with our customers. I see the same thing with India. It is not just a sale, it is a relationship, a cementing of posture
    through the full spectrum of goods and services only the US can offer. We would like the IAF to be flying side by side with the usaf.

    The IAF reportedly prefers the French Mirage 2005 for various reasons. Why should it vote for the F-16?

    When it comes to national security, we are very confident the Government of India is going to find the solution in its entirety in the F-16. We have had several competitions against European planes in the heart of Europe where the pressure on the customer is enormous. It is the prime fighter of 24 countries, including many in Europe, and they have come back 49 times for additional planes. The F-16 has proven itself. Its combat record is 70 to 0โ€”never been defeated in combat. The key question for India is to buy a leading-edge capability today which will be refreshed for the next three decades. The F-16 leads to the F-35. My vision of the future is that one day India is going to be flying the F-35. I truly believe it. There is no comparison for the F-35โ€”the French don’t offer it, the Russians don’t offer it. It only exists for US partners. One day the US and India will co-develop what’s going to be next.

    When will the F-35 become operational?

    It has already flown, it is already in production. You can touch it and feel it. It will be part of the usaf by 2012.

    The future of weapons is said to lie beyond “visibility”…
    In the battle of the future, when the F-35 is fielded, where do you want to be? The battle of the future becomes an unfair fight. The F-35 still has the aerodynamic performance of F-16 but I can basically walk up to you and tap you on the shoulder and you don’t even know I am coming. It isn’t invisible but it has a significant advantage that I can operate and you can’t. It’s like having night vision goggles. Would you rather set up the defence of India by going to a Swedish airplane that can’t even envision in its wildest fantasy how they would go to this airplane (F-35)?

    Will Lockheed give assurances for spare parts to address worries about reliability?

    In the government-to-government agreements between the US and India, there will be language that will address acquisition and long-term support issues. Lockheed Martin will support those agreements. I would like to invite the minister of defence here at some point in time because a dialogue is extremely valuable. We want to be transparent and want to know what it is you are trying to achieve so we can help you achieve it.

    http://203.200.89.68/scriptur11w2.asp?act=sign&url=/full.asp?fodname=20050620&fname=US+defence+deal+%28F%29&sid=2

    ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    in reply to: aircraft cutaway #2613065
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    Here…the Bertkut…

    http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/7607/berkutcutaway1ml.jpg

    Anyone want F-22 & F-15 too ?

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2613275
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    I found this : [b]HAL chairman Nalini Ranjan Mohanty has said that the Indian-built Su-30s will cost only about $22.5 million a unit against the current import price of about $37.5 million [/b] here >> http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

    Is this true??…if it is it is shocking; why do we need LCA’s at 21million $ a piece & mirages at ~40million a piece if we can make the MKI at 22.5million$

    I’m confused.

    and also since the US announced so many goodies for us…perhaps its lobbying for us to buy the block 70 F-16 …that would be cool..but a little logistical problem…surely it can be sorted out.

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2613304
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    No 63 mirages is a waste of money….DRDO has alredy said that the capabilities of the LCA match that of the Mirage…so why mirage..we could aswell buy LCA’s.

    What are the arguments against the Mig-29 ???

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2613849
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    in reply to: Hindustan HF-73 … a LCA predecessor ?? #2613875
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    Alright, here’s more on the LCA’s history :

    If you know about the history of the Eurofighter, you will be aware of the turmoil with France joining and then being thrown out etc tec, suffice to say that at one point it looked as if a UK only fighter would have to be produced, BAe proposed a private venture single engine light fighter which the RAF weren’t too keen on but BAe hoped to win them round and also take on the export market with their design which was the P.106. When the project appeared to be gathering momentum within BAe it was noticed that the P.106 also seemed to meet the Indian LCA requirement perfectly and a joint programme was investigated.

    When Germany and Italy then decided to rejoin the UK in a new fighter programme the Govt insisted that BAe put its full weight behind the project and the P.106 was virtually ‘given’ to India with BAe willing to act as a sort of ‘consultant’ while the ‘main event’ was obviously the Eurofighter Typhoon as far as the UK was concerned.

    Now obviously the Tejas owes nothing to this design except maybe its vaguest stats (size, weight, engine thrust etc)

    This infact was later sold to Sweden after the apparent Indian rejection and served as the basis for the Gripen.

    http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/336/p1064pb.jpg

    and a wind tunnel model of this was displayed at Aero India 2005 at the NAL stall (National Aerospace Labs, Bangalore) and i confirmed this from the person at the stall (although he was rather skeptical to answer a 16 year old-me)….it was amazing to also find a pic of this at the BR site in BR’s coverage of Aero India ’05 …just found the pic at ACIG :

    http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/nal_wtmodels.jpg

    The plane on the right is the cancelled HF-73 !!! …i love that bird ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    The caption of this pic infact reads This confirms that at one of the early LCA concepts was a Gripen-esque canard-double-delta. Note the wing-tip Magic-2 AAMs. Constructing the models themselves and the actual wing tunnel testing, are both expensive ventures, meaning that there must have been a level of seriousness behind the design. The other model is that of the HAL HF-73 concept.

    http://www.acig.org/exclusives/aero/acig_aero05_nal.htm

    Credits to a british member of another forum, for much of these details

    Regards,
    Stealth Spy ๐Ÿ™‚

    in reply to: IAF -news and discussion june 2005 #2613877
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    My wish list : Nuclear tech (for civil use), enriched plutonium supply for tarapur plant, THAAD-with tech transfer, JSF with co production & tech transfer-esp. its radar, Aegis radar for Delhi & Bangalore class destroyers with transfer on know how of the radar, P-8MMA with tech transfer, GE engineers to help fix the Kaveri, FBW codes for the tailless MCA from the F-16 X (tailless), and more (thinking)

    EDIT : more…latest cryogenic engines, recougnise Kashmir & Aksai Chin as an integral part of India, stop all arms sales to Pakistan, recougnise Pakistan as a terrorist nation that it is and condemn it as a nuclear proliferator that it is, 500 billion $ FDI investment, more outsourcing, permanent UN seat with veto power, etc ….

    Hey this is only a “wish list” and should’nt be taken seriously ๐Ÿ™‚

    in reply to: Hindustan HF-73 … a LCA predecessor ?? #2613956
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    The LCA, IMO, is clearly a design which tries to mimic that of the Mirage
    2000 (scaled down version) but a Mirage 2000 with a Hinduistan touch. My personal opinion only
    of course. Remember: I said influential by-products. I did not say copies.

    Yes the LCA appears to be “inspired” from the Mirage’s single engine tailless dekta wing design..perhaps because Marcel Dassault was a design consultant for it ……but all said and done the only thing that the LCA Tejas shares in common with the Mirage is that both are delta winged single engined multirole aircrafts. Nothing more or nothing less than that.

    Here is a comparitive side by side showing the toatly indepandant designs of the LCA and the Mirage. (the image is not to scale)
    http://img69.echo.cx/img69/8498/notcopy1px.gif

    Infact i made this pic for another forum where some dunderheads called the LCA an outright copy of the Mirage !!!

    and not to forget the RCS of the LCA is 1/3 rd that of the Mirage !!!

    and coming back to the topic at hand…

    India had previously attempted to build a supersonic fighter : the HF-73, a development of the Marut (the HF-24, designed by the great German Kurt Tank). HF-73 was to use engines with more power. A prototype was also built. However this project was cancelled after a crash.(speculated as engine failure) ๐Ÿ™ …

    Infact the LCA when inducted will be given a HF-xx designation, following the naming pattern (HF standing for Hindusthan Fighter). Infact the phrase LCA is equivalent to “ATF” of the F-22 programme…and Tejas is equivalent to the Phrase “raptor” or “maruth” of the F-22 and HF-24’s.

    In most probability the LCA will be called the HF-84 Tejas ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    PS, (EDIT) : Some of the pics on the previous page are incorrect…the HF-73 was a single tail fin aircraft that looks a little like the Jaguar, and not the one that is posted in the previous page of something that looks like a Mig-25.

    Regards,
    Stealth Spy ๐Ÿ™‚

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