Since when are they involved in PAKFA?
Well Russia have rolled out an offer for France to participate in its 5th generation project along with India.
Here are some few months old news articles on the same…
Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee has invited Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) MiG to present its concept of fifth generation fighter aircraft before the top brass of Indian Air Force even as New Delhi has expressed its desire to join the Russian project.
“MiG had presented its concept of fifth generation fighter aircraft when I visited them yesterday. I invited them to make a presentation in India for the IAF officers,” Mukherjee told reporters before leaving for home tonight at the end of his three-day Moscow visit.
In the course of his press conference at the Russian Defence Ministry yesterday, Mukherjee had for the first time publicly acknowledged that India is keen to take part in the development and financing of the fifth generation fighter aircraft with Russia, which would rival the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) being developed by the United States.
Russia had for the first time made this offer to NDA government three years ago after successful completion of Sukhoi Su-30MKI project, which already incorporates some features of the futuristic super fighter plane.
Local defence experts have noted that China, a major buyer of Russian military hardware has not been offered stake in the project. France is the only other foreign nation, which has also been invited besides India.
Russian Air Force had identified Sukhoi Corporation as the designer of the fifth generation fighter aircraft, which has already made presentation in India. However, India seems to be in favour of a lighter aircraft, in which RAC MiG specialises.
India and Russia will also sign agreement on the joint development and production of 145 medium multi-role transport aircraft (MTA) of which IAF will get 45 aircraft for replacing ageing AN-32 fleet.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73&id=335778
In addition check this :
Sukhoi asks Europe for fighter help
[u]Sukhoi general director Mikhail Pogosyan has invited European companies to participate in developing Russia’s fifth-generation fighter – the first time Russia has opened the way into its armoury for foreign suppliers since the Second World War[/u], writes Howard Gethin.Pogosyan says [u]European firms could supply components for the aircraft, highlighting avionics as a likely area of collaboration.[/u]
Sukhoi has previously installed French, Indian and Israeli avionics and electronic warfare equipment in Su-30s for delivery to India, but no foreign components have been used on its aircraft intended for use by the Russian forces.
Pogosyan says Sukhoi is formulating the specifications for Russia’s fifth-generation fighter, which it is thought to be provisionally designated the T50.
“Many questions here could be the subject of joint work by the Russian and European aerospace industries,” he says.
Any co-operation would require regulation and international agreement in areas such as intellectual property and to control the proliferation of military technology, a Sukhoi official told the Vremya Novostei daily newspaper.
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2005/07/12/200211/Sukhoi+asks+Europe+for+fighter+help.html
More is said to have been discussed when the prime minister of France visited Russia in February this year.
Additionally if I may add – France is co-developing the engine that will power the collobaritive MTA transporter project between India and Russia.
Does anyone have Avion de Combat Futur (ACF) project derrived “Mini-Mirage (Mimi)” designs that were not chosen (like the “Super Mirage III”, then the “Delta 1000”, “Delta 2000”, etc)?
I have heard that the LCA Tejas’ design was developed from one such “Mimi” design which was not chosen by Dassault. Can someone confirm or deny this ?
It is also said that the most parts of the SNECMA M53 engine were reverse engineered from the GE F-404…anything on this ?
More on India’s AESA developments ….
India also have made working T/R modules in addition to the active antenna :
http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/june2001/moduletech.htmThe indigenous AWACS (mounted on an ERJ-145) that is to be enter service in 2011 will have these technologies.
There are efforts to make the LCA’s radar AESA as well.
Its also interesting that India’s DRDO’s electronics division – LRDE has got its Transmit/Receiver Module’s for Active Phased Array Antenna Patented :
Check out this May -2005 Patent’s Granted section of the DRDO website
PATENTS GRANTED (in May 2005)
DMRL, Hyderabad :
• A Process for Preparation of Iron Aluminides.
• A Process for Preparation of Light Weight Ceramic Compounds Material for use in Bullet Proof Panel/Shelters.
• A Process for Preparation of Rubber Lining Material.
• A Process for Preparation of Titanium Matrix Composite.
• A process for the Production of Titanium Matrix Composites.
• A process for making Near Net Shaped Metal Matrix Composites.[u]LRDE, Bangalore :
• Transmit/Receiver Module for Active Phased Array Antenna. [/u]
http://www.drdo.com/pub/nl/may05/patents.htm
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/in_rad_001.jpgLRDE has alredy made PESA radars like the Rajendra, etc ..
Infact work on the necessary transmit/receive modules for the LCA’s proposed indigenous AESA radar was done back in 1998 itself as revealed by Dr. Harinarayana (the father of the LCA programme) in this interview (link
Russia has said that will transfer AESA technology to India if the Mig-35 is selected and a Russian AESA radar is chosen.
Adding to that this, here’s More on India’s AESA developments … (pics credit to kantak)



More Here :
Activities – Design and Development of Radar Systems
Army
– Multifunction Phased Array Radar and 3D Surveillance Radar for Akash Missile
Weapon System
– Low Level 2D Radar for Fire Control and Air Defence
– Short Range Battle Field Surveillance Radar
– Weapon Locating Radar
Air Force
– Active Phased Array Radar for AEW&C
– Low level 2D radar and 3D Short & Medium Range Surveillance Radar for Air Defence
Navy
– Maritime Patrol Radar for fixed and Rotary Wing Aircraft
– Maritime Patrol Radar with SAR & ISAR
– 3D Medium Range Surveillance Radar for ASW Corvettes
Development of Radar Technologies
– Antennae: Slotted Waveguide, Patch Array & Multibeam Antenna
– T/R Modules and Active Aperture Arrays
– Programmable DSP
– Radar Data Processors
– High Average Power TWT based Transmitters
– High purity sources
– Multi-channel double hetrodyne receivers
WTF have you been smoking?
Natarajan, who is also the scientific adviser to the defence minister, said during the CII-defence ministry organised Defexpo 2006 that concluded yesterday, that HAL would be given a production order for 20 LCA — the aircraft was christened Tejas by former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee — only after the air force gets the approval for its funds.
[u]Natarajan claimed the weapons integration process for the LCA has been completed.[/u]
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Here is a great analysis of India’s Maritime Patrol Aircraft Competition
India’s navy has now floated an RFP for 8 new maritime aircraft. Lockheed is invited to bid again, and so are several other firms. Under the Navy’s RFP, the bids have to be made by end of April 2006, with price negotiations to be completed by 2007 and first deliveries to commence within 48 months. India’s Ministry of Defence has extreme problems with announced schedules, but their existing fleet is wearing out, international requests for India’s maritime patrol help are rising, and some action is necessary. DID reviews the situation, the current fleet, and the competitors….Successful procurement of these aircraft would certainly contribute to India’s capabilities, as its naval responsibilities undergo rapid growth.
The Indian Navy currently relies on its fleet of around 20 Dornier 228 aircraft and Israeli Searcher Mark II and Heron unmanned aerial vehicles to monitor India’s 7,516-km long coastline, 1,197 islands and a two-million square kilometer exclusive economic zone. Additional patrols and interdiction within and beyond that area are undertaken by its 8-10 ultra-long-range TU-142 Bear aircraft and its 3 remaining IL-38 May Maritime Surveillance Aircraft.
Flight International reports that India’s navy has set a deadline this month to receive bids for 16-24 more anti-submarine warfare helicopters; but the manufacturers that were handed the tender (AgustaWestland, Eurocopter, Kamov and Sikorsky) are asking for an extension. Meanwhile, a larger buy is afoot for long-range maritime patrol aircraft.
The Competitors
The Times of India reports that India’s 8-10 TU-142 Bear aircraft are being retired, after negotiations with Russia and Israel to retrofit them were called off. Invited bidders (and their relevant offerings) reportedly include:
[u]BAE (Nimrod MRA4)
Boeing (P-8A MMA)
Lockheed (P-3C Orion)
Northrop-Grumman (Global Hawk, presumably)
EADS (AT3 Atlantique, a smaller twin-engine turboprop)
Rosoboronexport (IL-38 “May” and TU-142 “Bear”, both currently in service)[/u]A TU-142 can fly from Mumbai (Bombay) to Johannesburg, South Africa and back – without refueling. Bharat-Rakshak reports that 8-10 Bears remain in service with the Indian Naval Air Arm. Bharat-Rakshak notes that proposals had been floated to Russian and Israeli firms to significantly upgrade the TU-142 with the Leninets Sea Dragon common patrol suite, as well as other electronic enhancements useful for surveillance and even electronic warfare. Proposed Sea Dragon upgrades were rejected on cost and performance grounds, which led to discussions around an Israeli IAI Elta surveillance and communications package based around the AN/M-2202A radar used in Spain’s P-3C upgrades. These upgrades may even have been installed on at least one aircraft.
BAE Systems’ modernized Nimrod MRA4 program received consideration from the USA as a replacement option for its P-3C Orions, but pressures for standardization with the global civil air fleet and a desire for a “made in America” solution pushed them to adopt the 737-based P-8A instead. A British program was begun in 1996 to rebuild their existing Nimrod Mk2 fleet to the MRA4 standard with new wings, engines, internal systems, and mission systems. Unfortunately, that program has faced a series of budget cuts, stalls, and conditions. At present, the first Nimrod MRA4 isn’t expected to enter service until around 2010. Given the cutbacks in the modernization program, however, some older Nimrod Mk2 and MR1 airframes may become available for sale and refurbishment.
The P-8A is not expected to be available before 2013. Nevertheless, The Times of India’s sources in the Indian Navy believes that the P-8A would match the combined operational profile presently being executed by its existing fleet of Ilyushin Il-38 Mays and TU-142 Bears. Given the limited remaining lifetime of even the refurbished IL-38SDs, a long-term solution is understandably attractive.
India also considers its involvement in the Boeing MMA program a test of Washington’s long-term military and strategic commitment to India. Significant distrust remains in the wake of the USA’s 1988 embargo of military exports to India and Pakistan following underground nuclear tests – an embargo that was only lifted fully in September of 2004. While its timeline may pose problems, just having the P-8A offered and cleared for export may be the one of the biggest benefits India receives from this RFP.
EADS’ offerings in this area include the twin-turboprop AT3 Atlantique as part of the SECBAT consortium with Dassault Aviation of France, Alenia of Italy, and SABCA-SONACA of Belgium. While these are capable aircraft, their range and payload limitations may make them a dubious contender to replace the TU-142.
Russia’s IL-38 May is about the same vintage as the P-3C Orion, and only 3 aircraft remain in Indian service from the original set of 5, after 2 of the aircraft were lost in an airshow collision. Unlike the TU-142s, however, the status of their upgrades is clear. India Defence reports that the first of three improved Il-38SD maritime anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft has been delivered to the Indian Navy following upgrades in Russia. The cost to upgrade each plane is about $35 million.
The IL-38 upgrade does include the Leninets Morskoy Zmei (Sea Dragon) digital common patrol suite, which is designed to detect and intercept surface vessels and submarines as well as detect mines and carry out surveillance. Like the Israeli M-2202A, the suite can also detect airborne targets, and it can be linked to the Russian Glonass GPS satellite navigation system. India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation has supplied the new IL-38SD’s electronic intelligence system, electronic countermeasures station system, digital firing decoys and radio communication system.
The Times of India reports that another 4 similarly upgraded IL-38SDs will be delivered to the Indian Navy by early next year, bringing the fleet to 7. India also plans to mount the medium-range PJ-10 BrahMos supersonic cruise missile on this aircraft in the near future.
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India has opened competitions for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopters and long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft and is expected by April to issue a highly anticipated tender for next-generation fighters.
Industry sources say the Indian navy is seeking proposals by mid-March for eight maritime reconnaissance aircraft, but that the service has rejected a US government proposal to lease two Lockheed Martin P-3 Orions as an interim solution. The navy has also set a March deadline to receive bids for 16 ASW helicopters, plus eight options, but the manufacturers that were handed the tender – AgustaWestland, Eurocopter, Kamov and Sikorsky – are asking for an extension.
The maritime reconnaissance tender is believed to have been forwarded to BAE Systems, Boeing, EADS, Ilyushin and Lockheed. The latter had hoped to gain an inside track through a December 2005 US Navy offer to lease two P-3s, but this was rejected by New Delhi last month. However, Lockheed still appears well positioned, as Boeing will not be ready with its 737-based P-8A Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft until about 2012.
Tupolev Tu-142 and Westland Sea King replacements are just two of a long list of new aircraft requirements drafted by New Delhi, and manufacturers have complained that it has yet to release a priority list. A contract for almost 200 multi-role army helicopters is expected to be concluded first, but the selection of the Bell 407 or Eurocopter AS550 has already been delayed from late 2005 until at least mid-2006.
Fighter manufacturers also have been waiting several months to receive a tender for 126 new aircraft. However, industry sources say the inclusion of the additional aircraft types, plus uncertainty over how to measure an expected requirement for 30% direct offsets and 90% technology transfer, could extend the evaluation period until 2007 or even 2008.
India, meanwhile, has also announced its intention to pursue an almost $890 million upgrade to its existing air force fleet of MiG-29s with Russia’s RSK MiG.
HH, this article answers you 😉
[u]Joint exercise with British Navy in May 2006[/u]
ON BOARD INS VIRAAT, (OFF GOA COAST), APR 1 (PTI)
Indian Navy will hold joint-naval exercises with its British counterparts in May 2006 in the Indian Ocean.“These exercises would be a part of konkan series, with British Royal Navy, which began in the year 1999,” Rear Admiral Anup Singh, Flag Officer Commanding Western Fleet, told mediapersons during Indo-French joint naval exercise.
“INS Viraat would not participate in the exercises but [u]British Navy’s invicible class aircraft carrier would be there for the exercises[/u],” he said.
He said [u]till date, five exercises have been held in Konkan series with the British Navy and the May 2006 would be sixth one.[/u] “These exercises would be in north Arabian Sea and more details would be chalked out before the exercises,” Singh said.
Asked about the naval exercises with the smaller countries like Bangladesh, Singh stated that being a small navy the level of technology involved in Indo-Bangla exercises also differs. Eastern fleet based in Vishakhapatanam held exercises with Bangladesh navy recently, he informed.
He said such exercises especially with the neighbouring countries allay fears and helps to built confidence between two neighbours.
On naval exercises with Pakistan, Singh stated that these exercises would come at the last step of confidence building measures between both the countries. “We are yet to reach that stage,” he stated.:D:D
Are there any latest news on the LCA-project progress ???
> LCA has completed 500+ sucessful test flights. Weapons integration is complete.
> Indian Government’s Cabinet Comitee on Security has given the final “go-ahead” to HAL to build 20 production LCA’s.
> Air Force commanders has stated in interviews that the Tejas will see service in 2007/2008.
> The Naval commanders say they are happy with the progress on the N-LCA for the ADS carrier and will roll out as planned.
[u]Sea Harrier jets get new lease of life [/u] >> http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?id=86459&frmsrch=1&txtsrch=Harrier
[u]India, France hold joint naval exercises[/u] >>
http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?id=86458&frmsrch=1&txtsrch=Harrier
[u]’Bears’ to ‘Blackjacks’ – A Possible Logical Progression ? [/u]
The Indian Navy has been offered Tupolev-22M3/MR strategic strike platforms to replace their ageing Tu-142 and Il-38 MRW aircraft. A detailed analysis shows that the Russian Tupolev-160 “Blackjack” offers several advantages over the offered aircraft, and may be available as the Navy’s requirement is small and Tu-160 production has restarted and additional funds will be welcome. The Russians on their part have never been hesitant to transfer strategic platforms to India.
The Indian Navy acquired a strategic manned airborne dimension with the entry of Tupolev Tu-142M “Bear-F” Long Range Maritime Patrol/Anti-Submarine Warfare (LRMP/ASW) platforms in 1988. Powered by four KKBM Kuznetsov NK-12MV turboprops (each rated at 11,033-KW or 14,795-shp), with eight-blade contra-rotating reversible-pitch Type AV-60N propellers, the Tu-142M boasted a “near-conventional jet speed” of around 500-knots while still encompassing the whole Indian Ocean region from bases in South & Central India (INS Rajali and INS Hansa being more prominent) on internal fuel alone. Still an In-Flight Refuelling (IFR) probe is fitted above the nose and presently can summon the Indian Air Force (IAF) Agra-based Illyushin Il-78MKI IFR tankers of No.78 “Battle Cry” Squadron if situations arise.
While as primary sensors the Tu-142M platforms were fitted with the Korshun-K (Black Kite) automatic search and sighting system and MMS-106 Ladoga magnetometer to detect “stealthy” nuclear-powered submarines, the Indian Navy’s Tu-142M made foreign news headlines for its “Wet Eye” search and attack radar. The Australian Government presented strong reservations about the Tu-142M’s intended role in Indian Navy service, which to the Australian Government represented an Indian naval effort to expand its sphere of influence at the cost of Australia’s own. On top of these, matters did not help as rumours spread that the Indian Navy Tu-142M fleet represented a specialized variant, which in addition to LRMP/ASW gear and role retained sufficient gear to carry out a secondary heavy-bombing role.
This last mentioned aspect was never confirmed by Indian Navy sources and may or may not be a part of Island Continent’s political gimmick to enhance their own defence budget and spending. In any case a top speed of around 500-knots has only marginal effectiveness in penetration of well defended airspace yet integration of state-of-the-art Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles (ASCM) or Land Attack Cruise Missiles (LACM) may transform the “Albatross” into a formidable attack platform without the need to fly over its intended targets and yet decimate them at will from stand-off distances. Negotiations were reportedly made for additional procurement of six to eight more Tu-142M platforms but apparently fell apart after the tragic mid-air crash of a pair of Indian Navy IL-38s in October 2002, with priorities shifted in more ways than initially anticipated.
Although various plans exist for upgrading the Tu-142M fleet to formidable LRMP/ASW platforms with Electronic Intelligence (ELINT) attributes, one platform presents an Israeli upgrade package that includes the proven Elta EL/M-2022A (V3) radar and associated ELINT, satellite communication and electronic warfare equipment. The Indian Navy was “looking beyond” LRMP/ASW platforms for effective operations in its sphere of influence and this was somewhat confirmed at the turn of millennium by persistent yet intermittent reports of the lease of Tu-22M3 (Backfire-C) multi-mission strike platforms, capable of performing low-level nuclear strike and conventional attack role both over land and sea alongside high-seed reconnaissance missions. In absence of official confirmation and shielded in misinformation or secrecy, the proposed airborne package as per Russian media reports includes leasing of three Tu-22M3 strategic bombing/maritime strike platforms, plus one Tu-22MR reconnaissance oriented platform with a giant Side Looking Airborne Radar (SLAR) in what was previously the internal bomb bay to enable aerial reconnaissance from a great slant distance. Also the package reportedly includes one Tu-134UBL with each of the mentioned type from Russian Air Forces register.
During the height of the Cold War, the Tu-22M remained one of the most controversial airborne platforms and contributed considerably to breakdown of Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT) II due to arguments as to whether to classify it as a strategic platform or not. Two Kuznetsov NK-25 turbofan engines provided Tu-22M a range of at least 7,000-km-plus at high altitude on internal fuel alone, with further extension possible with IFR. To complicate matters further the maximum speed was reported to be 2300-km/h at high altitude with 12-tons of strike ordnance or an alternative load of a single air launched cruise missile carried in semi-recessed form to reduce drag. Thus it was logically deduced by the US Administration that if air bases were made available in then South or Central American Marxist influenced Nations, the Tu-22M acquires the “strategic dimension” by conducting “one-way over Artic” missions against the United States homeland and thus should be regarded as a strategic platform. This logic was outright rejected by the Soviets for few practical reasons ultimately leading to breakdown of SALT II.
However in Soviet Dalnaya Aviatsiya (DA) or Long-Range Aviation and AV-MF or Naval Aviation service the Tu-22M did represent a formidable strike platform with the radar speculated to be of the missile guidance ‘Down Beat’ family in conjunction with one of the most formidable contemporary avionics and electronic warfare suites and were feared and respected by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) adversaries. Most of the electronic warfare suites were “flush mounted” so as not to hamper aerodynamic performance. During the height of Cold War the Tu-22M “Backfire” achieved further notoriety in NATO eyes for repeated simulated launch of cruise missiles against the NATO Aircraft-Carrier Battle Groups (CVBG) and penetrating the formidable Japanese air-defence network at will. These were bound to be carefully planned ELINT/ferret missions and tactics to test and record NATO Strike Fleet and Japanese air defence tactics and procedures. Operating from forward bases in the European Landmass the Soviet Tu-22Ms were active over North Atlantic as far as Azores, encompassing the whole European Landmass and were considered a significant threat to NATO surface ASW barriers in the key areas such as Greenland-Iceland-UK (GIUK) gaps.
Yet a thorough evaluation puts the Tu-22M “Backfire” along with the Sukhoi Su-24 “Fencer” in the category of “Cold War relics” as these one-time formidable and fearsome platforms underwent only limited upgradations after the “Cold War” era in sharp contrast of United States Air Force (USAF) operated strategic airborne platforms like B-1B and B-52G/H. Prominently apparent are certain inherent drawbacks in the area of Radar Cross Section (RCS) as the Tu-22M fuselage lines are largely copied from earlier Tu-22 “Blinder”, basically a “historic” design prior to “stealth consciousness”. While slab-sided fuselage and engine intakes present prominent RCS, the positioning of engine intakes occupies significant fuselage space reducing internal fuel loads and thus reducing the otherwise potential range. Also perhaps the entire avionics and electronic warfare suite need to be replaced with contemporary equipment to ensure survivability of these technologically ageing platforms in present high-threat environments.
The “significantly small” Indian Navy requirement of strategic combined maritime strike and reconnaissance platforms, justified in light of their deployment restricted over oceans and need not over fly integrated hostile enemy Air Defence (AD) system and missile network over land, makes even highly sophisticated and expensive designs approachable if operational benefits significantly overlap the financial and technical investment. In this context perhaps the optimally suitable maritime strike platform for Indian Navy resides in the Russian Tu-160 “Blackjack” supersonic strategic bomber, the true successor of Tu-95/142 “Bear” and the pride of the Russian Dalnaya Aviatsiya since reorganized to 37th Strategic Air Army comprising of the 22nd Guards Red Banner Donbass Heavy Bomber Division and the 79th Guards Heavy Bomber Division in May 1998. Both high-profile Divisions posses a mix of five regiments of nuclear and conventionally armed Tu-95MS6/MS16 “Bear” strategic bombers, single regiment of nuclear armed Tu-160 “Blackjack” strategic bombers plus four regiments of Tu-22M3 “Backfire” conventionally armed medium range bombers. Tu-160s by themselves equip the 121st Air Regiment based at Engels Air Force Base at Saratov region.
Tu-160 in contrast to Tu-22M represents a formidable state-of-the-art Fly-By-Wire (FBW) platform with 10,500-km inter-continental range with considerable weapons load estimated on a mission profile of subsonic high altitude cruise, followed by transonic penetration at low altitude on internal fuel alone. The IFR option is available for further enhancement of range. Russian Air Force Tu-160s repeatedly displayed their capability to operate over Indian Ocean during Indo-Russian Naval Exercises (INDRA) from Russian homeland and Central Asian Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) bases striking down dummy or notional targets with cruise missiles. On conceptual level, if operated from Indian bases the Indian Ocean “will fall under scanner” in totality along with adjoining territories of West Asia and Far East.
In Tu-160 design, sufficient stresses have been given on reduction of RCS with the wing and fuselage gradually integrated into a single-piece configuration. The four NK-32 augmented turbofan engines, each providing a maximum thrust of 25,000-kg are installed in two pods under the shoulders of the wing with engine-intakes well shielded under fuselage to be screened from look-down radars. Measures were also applied to reduce the signature of the engines to infra-red and radar detectors. The Tu-160 avionics system consisting of navigation and attack radar and electronic countermeasures system will represent the pristine Russian technology after proposed upgradations, which are to follow alongside resumption of production lately for Russian 37th Strategic Air Army service. Even a limited export order for Indian Navy may evoke considerable interest as this is bound to “streamline” the re-opened production line to subsequently cater future Russian Air Force needs.
The Tu-160 in Indian Navy service may well be the perfect carrier (almost a made for each other) of the projected air-launched variant of supersonic (Mach 2.8) Indo-Russian PJ-10 BrahMos Anti-Ship Cruise Missile (ASCM) with smaller booster and additional tail fins for stability during launch, accommodating six of them on multi-station launchers in each of the two internal weapons bays. BrahMos ASCM is a joint venture between Indian DRDO and Russian NPO Mashinostroyeniya (NPO Mash) and inherits from its predecessor the Russian Yakhont ASCM, low RCS with an active radar homing seeker to facilitate fire-and-forget launch. Varieties of flight trajectories including sea-skimming or terminal pop-up followed by a deadly dive are meant to complicate the task of the adversary.
Mid-course guidance is inertial, developed and refined by Indian scientists. It is now an open secret that for further refinement of mid-course guidance the Indians are working hard at enhancing and refining the Inertial Navigation System (INS) with possible Israeli assistance that keeps track of the smallest change in velocity of the missile from its launch. In fact, if the warhead is nuclear tipped to cause wide-area destruction, the degree of accuracy delivered by INS is sufficient. Indians are believed to have obtained gyroscopes and other related items from European nations and are said to have successfully reverse-engineered them. Concurrently as a parallel development and as part of Alfa next-generation airborne reconnaissance and strike system, NPO Mash unveiled the Yakhont-M air-launched supersonic ASCM at the MAKS 2003 air show, which share elements with the Indo-Russian PJ-10 BrahMos. Armed with multi-sensor guidance, to engage surface ships and ground targets at up to 300-km, reconnaissance and target acquisition are to be provided by radar and electro-optical sensor equipped Kondor low-Earth-orbit satellites.
No wonder, BrahMos is rapidly emerging to be an enigma of sorts as numerous variants are being proposed or mooted simultaneously. The quest for a Brahmos LACM variant was hinted at in a test at Pokhran during December 2004, the missile being equipped with special image processing software for terminal homing and subsequently searched, located and destroyed a 50-cm thick concrete bunker with pinpoint accuracy. Although not officially stated, the special image processing software could well be a Digital Scene Matching Area Correlator (DSMAC) variant, which uses a zoom lens to collect images and matches them with the snaps of the approach to the target stored in the memory, to conduct precision strikes against an array of enemy counter-force and counter-value targets ranging from airfields to overland communications, command and control centres and powerful air defence installations.
There is considerable speculation that the ultimate BrahMos variant could emerge as tri-service sub-sonic or transonic LACM variant with an estimated range of 800-km to 1,400-km with Global Positioning System (GPS) guidance backup. Such a formidable missile system will offer considerable stand-off distance to every launch platform and will enable Indian Navy airborne LRMP/ASW and strike platforms to execute their operational roles without having to enter hostile airspace or engage enemy AD systems. Looking from a pure technological standpoint, Tu-160 “Blackjack” in Indian Navy colours will effectively eclipse other airborne strategic and sub-strategic platforms “in the vicinity” like Chinese Peoples Liberation Army-Air Force (PLA-AF) operated H-6 (Tu-16) bombers and Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) F-111 strike fighters and only be competitive with USAF B-2 Spirit platforms occasionally based in Diego Garcia.
this is the stealthy Mig I-2000 :
And the article is not a Mirage-4000 like hoax. The Indian Defence Minister, along with a technical commitee did visit Russia some months back and were geiven a presentation on the I-2000.
Here are some few months old news articles on the same event…
Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee has invited Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) MiG to present its concept of fifth generation fighter aircraft before the top brass of Indian Air Force even as New Delhi has expressed its desire to join the Russian project.
“MiG had presented its concept of fifth generation fighter aircraft when I visited them yesterday. I invited them to make a presentation in India for the IAF officers,” Mukherjee told reporters before leaving for home tonight at the end of his three-day Moscow visit.
In the course of his press conference at the Russian Defence Ministry yesterday, Mukherjee had for the first time publicly acknowledged that India is keen to take part in the development and financing of the fifth generation fighter aircraft with Russia, which would rival the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) being developed by the United States.
Russia had for the first time made this offer to NDA government three years ago after successful completion of Sukhoi Su-30MKI project, which already incorporates some features of the futuristic super fighter plane.
Local defence experts have noted that China, a major buyer of Russian military hardware has not been offered stake in the project. France is the only other foreign nation, which has also been invited besides India.
Russian Air Force had identified Sukhoi Corporation as the designer of the fifth generation fighter aircraft, which has already made presentation in India. However, India seems to be in favour of a lighter aircraft, in which RAC MiG specialises.
India and Russia will also sign agreement on the joint development and production of 145 medium multi-role transport aircraft (MTA) of which IAF will get 45 aircraft for replacing ageing AN-32 fleet.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73&id=335778
Defence sources said India was not happy with the heavier version of the fifth generation aircraft promoted by Sukhoi and New Delhi would like to compare it with a lighter plane offered by MiG.
http://www.hindu.com/2005/11/18/stories/2005111817131400.htm
India has not preferred Sukhoi’s 5th gen heavier, higher tech PAK-FA fighter proposal (F/A-22 class) .. perhaps because of funding volumes that it would need (the F/A-22 programme has costed USA 40 billion $ alredy and it would need 40 billion more link …. India is obviously not prepared to shell out even half this amount for a fighter project)
The Sukhoi proposal for a F/A-22 class, high-tech stealth fighter (rejected by India) :
http://www.warfare.ru/0702ey70/update/jan2005/2/t50.gif
Interestingly France has also been offered a part in this 5th gen project….Flight International says so as well… http://www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2005/07/12/Navigation/190/200211/Sukhoi+asks+Europe+for+fighter+help.html
[u]IAF fares better than USAF in terms of lower number of air crashes [/u]
The Indian Air Force (IAF), the number four Air Force in the world, fares better than the number one air power, the United States Air Force (USAF), in terms of lower number of air crashes despite the former being heavily reliant on old technology and the latter using latest ones with continuous upgradation.
Despite the alarming rate of crashes by the aircraft of the Indian Air Force, especially MiG-21s of the old vintage types, the IAF is way below in terms of accidents in relation to the world’s biggest and well-oiled USAF, media reports said here quoting Defence officials.
The USAF registers 1.25 air crashes every 10,000 hours of flying while the IAF’s average accident rate is just 0.75 aircraft in the same operational duration, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief of Western Air Command Air Marshal A.K. Singh said.
Adding even the latest technology in aviation registers 0.5 accidents every 10,000 hours of flying and the old technology touches well beyond one crash in similar number of flying hours, Air Marshal Singh said.
“The MiG-21s, that have been perceived to be flying coffins by a sensitive society and concerned media, in fact comprise two-thirds of the IAF fleet with over 460 flying machines and every third accident has to be from the category of the aircraft coming from the same stable.”
The Russian MiG Corporation produces a number of variants of the MiG series of aircraft, including the oldest types 69, 77, 75, 96 of MiG-21 followed by MiG-23, MiG-25, MiG-27 and the latest MiG-29s.“The MiG-21 Type 75 has been upgraded to MiG-21 Bison with altogether new avionics and on board electronic systems apart from night-vision devices and mid-air refuelling capabilities, making it more competitive than the American F-16 Fighting Falcons as demonstrated during a recent joint exercise between the two countries,” the source said.
“Even one accident is too many for the IAF but it happens despite best efforts by highly trained and motivated ground crew and pilots,” Air Marshal Singh said.
The induction of Hawk advanced jet trainers and phasing out of the older versions of MiG-21s will further lower the accident rate as the same will offer a quantum jump for training the pilots from a sub-sonic Kiran Mark II aircraft directly to the supersonic MiG-21s and Jaguars, he said.
The addition of intermediate jet trainers in place of the Kirans as scheduled in 2015 will also help in cutting down accidents, he elaborated.
Surprisingly unlikely source >> http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-16/0603315421155517.htm :confused:
Perhaps the Aviation forum are next:(
Perhaps the forums will be reinstated after an edit job :confused:
About the Naval and Army section : They still are available in Google Cache. So hurry and save.
Google’s cache of the Naval section
Open the above page , Copy the link location of the topic of your choice and paste in google.
Open cache from the result page.
Google … all hail! Thanks HH.
I remember how a USAF F-16 (moose was one of them) pilots posted pics they had taken and gave out a lot of information (about the capabilities of the F-16, Su-30 MKI, their pilots, opinions etc ) after participating in the Cope India 2006 air exercises on the f-16.net forum and a few hours later all his posts and exclusive pics were removed without warning or notice and the webmaster gave a reason that sounded something like high level intervention from powerful agencies was the reason for his posts, and pics had to be deleted.
I would not be surprised if something like that is the case here as well … and that’s perhaps why the webmaster is reluctant to give out any reasons for the closure of the forums.
The threads on China and Russia had truckloads of leaked pictures posted … which give vast insights about their forces and their equipment. Ditto for the threads on some other countries as well.
My guess is that the forums were closed by external intervention as it endangered the security of a nation/nations.
Congrats on the L-15 🙂
Here is more optimistic news :
China’s Large Aircraft Dream to Come True By 2015: NPC Deputy
(Source: Chinese Central Government; issued March 10, 2006)
China is expected to realize its “large aircraft” dream by the year 2015, a senior aviation official said Friday in an exclusive interview with Xinhua.
“Large aircraft” refer to large transportation planes with a carrying capacity exceeding 100 tons, trunk liners with more than 150 seats and other derivative special-purpose planes, Liu said.
Liu Daxiang, who is a senior official with the state-owned China Aviation Industry Corporation I and also a deputy to China’s parliament or the National People’s Congress (NPC), said he was happy to learn that the development of large aircraft is listed as one of the country’s 16 major development plans in the 11th Five-Year Program for the 2006-2010 period.
“If things are going smoothly, large transport planes for military and civil purposes are expected to fly into the sky in 10 years,” Liu said.
“With 5 more years of further development, the Chinese people are likely to travel by home-made 150-seat planes by 2020.”
China has long considered building a large 150-200 seat commercial aircraft, rather than continuing to merely rely on Boeing of the United Sates and Europe’s Airbus.
“Although China has encountered difficulties and failed in several large aircraft development plans, the experience obtained has laid a good foundation for the coming scheme,” he said.
Liu, who is also an academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, has submitted, together with other experts, motions to the NPC’s second and third annual sessions held respectively in 2003 and 2004, calling for earlier research and development of large aircraft.