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February 27, 2005 at 6:24 pm in reply to: Fighter Aircraft Generation: Classfications #2642107

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1. First generation : early jets, canon only, no or very simple radar (Sabre, MiG-15 and MiG-17)

2. Second generation : early Super Sonics + early AAMs + radar(MiG-19, F-104, early MiG-21, Mysterie)

3. Third generation : Super Sonic advanced capability / avionics, long range AAMs, improved radar (F-5, F-4, MiG-21 later versions, MiG-23, MiG-25,F-14, F-15, Mirage III, Mirage F1)

4. Forth Generation : fly by wire , super manouverability, digital avioncs, working look-down and shoot down radar, better AAMs (F-16, F-18, ;MiG-29, SU-27, Grippen,..)

5. Fifth Generation : reduced RCS, supercruise, further improved avionics, data-link, stealth (F-22, F-35, maybe Pak-FA)

Many planes fall between generations and often tere classification also depends on the subversion of the plane.

February 27, 2005 at 3:06 pm in reply to: US Army Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter (ARH) Program Updates #2642297

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And the OH-6 was always more survieable. if you look at the experiences from Nam. the egg was able to safe the crews a lot of times.

February 26, 2005 at 3:04 pm in reply to: US Army Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter (ARH) Program Updates #2643159

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So Kiowa vs. Cayuse all over again.

February 25, 2005 at 11:49 am in reply to: USN C17 trials successful #2644685

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Yeah – sure

February 24, 2005 at 5:48 pm in reply to: American navy V european (joint) navy #2059800

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10 large carriers with air groups against 2 medium sized and 2 small ones and 2 tiny ones.

No big deal for the US.

February 23, 2005 at 5:30 pm in reply to: soviet 5x MiG-23 vs 2x F-16 1980s #2646231

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Yes I want.

February 23, 2005 at 5:24 pm in reply to: F16 vs Mirage2000 #2646251

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Ah, ok that is something different. I can imagine that Lockheed would love to sell the iAF the Block60.

February 23, 2005 at 5:23 pm in reply to: soviet 5x MiG-23 vs 2x F-16 1980s #2646258

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Well all data I have seen show that the MiG-23 is close to the F-4 in nearly every aspect apart from zoom climb. Care to share your data ?

February 23, 2005 at 4:29 pm in reply to: F16 vs Mirage2000 #2646304

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Well they did pitch Bock-60 , But its highly likely it will be an Indianised Block-60 , Just like Israel F-16I Sufa , India would ask for a customised aircraft.

Thanks Fantasma , Something to read on IAF Experience with Mirage-2000 by Air Marshal Ajit Bhavani

Yet again the US has no Block 60s and the UAE varaints were definately not used in any exercise with the IAF.

Furthermore the F-16I is based on a F-16D Block 52+ and not Block 60.

February 23, 2005 at 4:25 pm in reply to: soviet 5x MiG-23 vs 2x F-16 1980s #2646335

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staying high reduces the SAM radius ?? Well that is the first time I heard that, especially as we are talking about a medium level profile and that is exactly the height nearly all larger SAM system have been designed to handle.

I also know nothing about a a good performace of the MiG-23, it is said to close to the F-4, but surely not close to the F-15 in overall performance. Furthermore AWACs is not AWACS. The russian system was far less developed in the 1980ies, then the NATO/US AWACS.

But I think we must agree to disagree.

February 22, 2005 at 5:00 pm in reply to: F16 vs Mirage2000 #2647005

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Since Its an F-16 vs Mirage-2000 debate , In recent AeroIndia-2005 , the US pitched the F-16 Block-60 against the Mirage-2000-5 MK2 which the french is offering to India for MRCA , Which amongst the two comes out better.

The US has no Block60s. They are made for the UAE and I highly doubt that they find in pleasure in the idea that the USAF could use their planes for excersises with a third country.

February 22, 2005 at 4:50 pm in reply to: soviet 5x MiG-23 vs 2x F-16 1980s #2647024

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so the sparrow and bvr radar was mean to be useless???, comon its obvius that we are talking about defensive strategies and air superiority, in fact the occidental planes have that problem more that soviet by all those movable sams (sa6,sa10,sa3,etc) and AAA, you can use also offensive tactics at heigh, youre fast, your weapons have more range, and the ECM works better (remember at low heights the ecm signals keeps very confined)

No it was not useless, as the F-15 had a good working look-down shoot down radar in the 1980s and the Sparrow had evolved enough to function reasonably. And the F-15 would stay high and outside the threat envelop of russian SAMs. The system of the MiG-23 was never comparable.

Within the threat envelope both sides would stay low. Perhaps the Soviets would have tried some medium level 1000 planes strikes and they would have probably won by those, but not because flying high was the better tectic, but becuase they would have used more planes then NATO would have been able to shoot-down in a given area and timeframe.

February 21, 2005 at 8:01 pm in reply to: soviet 5x MiG-23 vs 2x F-16 1980s #2647852

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Sens, seahawk, those arguments are ridiculous, those problems are solutionated by air-traffic controll, in an decarated war it dont matters that visual identification, again the floggers should stay at height launching radar aams or diving over enemy aircrafts attacking with IRST-missiles, and climb again.

Staying high with the air defenses on both sides would be suicide. F-15 for example were mean to stay behind the SAM belt and fight the leakers.

February 21, 2005 at 6:49 pm in reply to: soviet 5x MiG-23 vs 2x F-16 1980s #2647917

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Exactly. And that is why the BVR Capability of the MiG-23 was at best of little advantage. On the other hand the F-16 gad a working look-down radar and all aspect IR missiles.

February 21, 2005 at 4:51 pm in reply to: soviet 5x MiG-23 vs 2x F-16 1980s #2648140

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Yes thats true a large number were operational around the late 80s 175 in the luftwaffe alone.But not all NATO interceptors would be avalible for air-superority role there are 800+ fencers,700+ mig-27s to deal with.

Unfortunately the German F-4Fs were limited to the AIM-9 because the Luftwaffe decided that they would not need them. (AFAIK there was also a treaty that banned the use of such missiles by the Luftwaffe).

But there were plenty of USAF and British F-4s. Add the French Mirage fighters and you have a good number of BVR shooters. The AIM-9 only fighters (mainly F-16s and F-5s) would be used for a-g or as dogfighters after the BVR shooters have pexended their missiles.
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