Let us think about it. They want to spent 10 Billions and want a workshare of 5 Billions. That means they want to have 50% of the money returned to them. If all other JSF partners demand the same, it means that the US would have to pay 50% of all their purchases. Not going to happen.

Always a pleasure to do so

It resembles a spanish HAD, at least a bit.

Eitehr the Zulu Cobro or the Tiger. Both have the best avionics.

It is 8 out of total 40 for F-16. so 20% loss. similar or more is for M2k if u include hanger loss. MIG-29 is 6 out of 70. less than 10 %. so gap is 100% if u want to look at raw statistics.

And 100% would have to be expected.

Seahawk, do not stop Sean’s and Arthur’s assault on Floggerland.

Well I tried the same in theF-4 thread. Now I´m foccussing the energy one convincing a stone in my garden to bring the newspaper to my bed every morning. Well, I had more success with that project. :p

The MiG-29 probably was the best dogfighter of its generation nad at least equal to anything the west could put into the air, even today.

Unfortunately only limited combat ready monkey models have been used in combat afainst the west, while facing overhelming odds and overhelming numbers. Yet there are rumors, that the MiG got one british Tornado, damaged 1 F117 , one A-10 and probably one F-18. Given the circumstances this happened it it not bad.

During the whole service life it was more advanced then the F-16 and was the better dogfighter. Today version are second to none.

Can we now get over it and end that discussion… ? If you want you do some cheering and then be done with it.

Aurel: mate where did that come from? Noone has mentiones Kriegsmarine at all, what are you smoking? Please share it around!!!

Spectral: Thanks for that mate but from the info you haven’t answered my question and now you’ve given me more questions.

1. Does Portugal have plans to upgrade their fleet to a common standard?

2. 60+03 ——– P-3C CUP coast guard version , Is this machine going to replace the Elint Atlantic in German service thus not needing the full CUP upgrade?

3. Where will the German machines be based and with which sqdn?

4. Where will the Portugeas base their machines and with which sqdn?

5. Does the FAP operate a forward airbase that these could be operated out of?

6. What is the most likely mission profile for the FAP models? Can we expect to see them floating around the skies half way out in the atlantic or will they just fly around the coast of Portugal?

2. We will jave UAVs (EuroHawk) replacing the ELINT birds

3. MFG 3 will operate them