jbritchfordI agree with the US laws on burglars: you have the right to shoot them to defend yourself and your property.
jbritchfordI agree with the US laws on burglars: you have the right to shoot them to defend yourself and your property.
jbritchfordThat makes me 16 then… dont worry im only 18 now…
Barnowl, behave! 😀 😀
You don’t want a shotgun wedding!!!!!! :diablo:
jbritchfordThat makes me 16 then… dont worry im only 18 now…
Barnowl, behave! 😀 😀
You don’t want a shotgun wedding!!!!!! :diablo:
jbritchfordBut then the police need to be better trained at whatever they do – everywhere. A sad fact is that (if I remembers rightly) police armed officers threatened to withdraw their services if the verdict went against them in the case of Harry Stanley, the Scotsman shot dead for sounding Irish and having a table leg in a plastic bag. The cops concerned were said to be ‘in a panic’ (http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=437&id=457282005), just as you or I would be if we thought someone was pointing a gun at us; but we’d expect armed police to be better trained than that, to be cool and calm in situations where we would be quaking like jelly. Then there is the complete c0ck up that was the shooting of an innocent man: Jean Charles de Menezes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes) The surveilance team tracked him and an anti terrorist team gunned him down – the kind of people who should be highly trained and totally aware of what they are doing and for whom they are doing it. Instead, this incident should make everyone aware that the police will do their utmost to cover their own backsides. Menezes was said to have vaulted the ticket barrier, to have been wearing winter clothing in warm weather, to have ignored a shouted warning from the police, that the stations CCTV system was not working. He was shot nine times over thirty seconds, eight times in the head; sounds more like a little gungho macho-ism than an attempt to subdue.
Who knows – some might say there is more danger from the police than terrorists…(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4451760.stm)
Flood
Flood,
I would like to know what experience you have of this kind of thing. i happen to know several police officers, friends and family, and as a result i know how difficult a job it is first hand.
Before people criticise police officers for shootings, we should put ourselves in their position. If an officer is told a suspect is carrying a firearm, then naturally they will be on their guard. A suspect carying something that looks like a firearm can be threatening enough, and impossible to discern from a genuine weapon. There are many immitation weapons avaliable these days, but in some circumstances even an object like a table leg can be surprisingly convincing.
So imagine this, you are an armed officer, and you are told that there is an armed man walking down the street. You reach the area and identify the man, who is uncooperative and threatening. You are obviously a little afraid, and unless you are close then it is hard to see what the suspect is carrying. In the table leg incident, it was wrapped up, and the incident happened at night – making idnetification more difficult again. If the suspect then point the ‘weapon’ towards you, what are your actions?
Give him the benefit of the doubt? After all, it might not be a gun. You have been told that he is armed, and you can’t be certain what he is carrying, so should you take the chance that the suspect is completely safe? Are you willing to bet your life, your colleage’s life and the safety members of the public as well?
And by the way, you have about a second to decide as he points it at you.
Another thing many members of the public get the wrong impression of is the way officers are prosecuted after such incidents. Take this for example, where officers threatened to go on strike if their colleagues were sent down. It sounds bad to the observer, it did to me when i first heard about it. The police have a duty to protect us. Exactly.
Officers who risk their lives to protect the public, getting criticised for doing their jobs. When they are forced to shoot someone, the bosses wash their hands of them, fearing for their own careers, and officers are used as a scapegoat. Would YOU do this job if you knew this would happen to you? Risk you life, and if you end up actually carrying out your orders, well, you go to jail.
Sorry if i seemed to rant a little, but it is a subject that is close to my heart. I am saddened as much as anyone to hear of people being killed by police accidentaly, i really am. I offer my sincere condolences. But its easy for people to point the finger at the police without knowing their side of the story, and often people do.
jbritchfordBut then the police need to be better trained at whatever they do – everywhere. A sad fact is that (if I remembers rightly) police armed officers threatened to withdraw their services if the verdict went against them in the case of Harry Stanley, the Scotsman shot dead for sounding Irish and having a table leg in a plastic bag. The cops concerned were said to be ‘in a panic’ (http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=437&id=457282005), just as you or I would be if we thought someone was pointing a gun at us; but we’d expect armed police to be better trained than that, to be cool and calm in situations where we would be quaking like jelly. Then there is the complete c0ck up that was the shooting of an innocent man: Jean Charles de Menezes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes) The surveilance team tracked him and an anti terrorist team gunned him down – the kind of people who should be highly trained and totally aware of what they are doing and for whom they are doing it. Instead, this incident should make everyone aware that the police will do their utmost to cover their own backsides. Menezes was said to have vaulted the ticket barrier, to have been wearing winter clothing in warm weather, to have ignored a shouted warning from the police, that the stations CCTV system was not working. He was shot nine times over thirty seconds, eight times in the head; sounds more like a little gungho macho-ism than an attempt to subdue.
Who knows – some might say there is more danger from the police than terrorists…(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4451760.stm)
Flood
Flood,
I would like to know what experience you have of this kind of thing. i happen to know several police officers, friends and family, and as a result i know how difficult a job it is first hand.
Before people criticise police officers for shootings, we should put ourselves in their position. If an officer is told a suspect is carrying a firearm, then naturally they will be on their guard. A suspect carying something that looks like a firearm can be threatening enough, and impossible to discern from a genuine weapon. There are many immitation weapons avaliable these days, but in some circumstances even an object like a table leg can be surprisingly convincing.
So imagine this, you are an armed officer, and you are told that there is an armed man walking down the street. You reach the area and identify the man, who is uncooperative and threatening. You are obviously a little afraid, and unless you are close then it is hard to see what the suspect is carrying. In the table leg incident, it was wrapped up, and the incident happened at night – making idnetification more difficult again. If the suspect then point the ‘weapon’ towards you, what are your actions?
Give him the benefit of the doubt? After all, it might not be a gun. You have been told that he is armed, and you can’t be certain what he is carrying, so should you take the chance that the suspect is completely safe? Are you willing to bet your life, your colleage’s life and the safety members of the public as well?
And by the way, you have about a second to decide as he points it at you.
Another thing many members of the public get the wrong impression of is the way officers are prosecuted after such incidents. Take this for example, where officers threatened to go on strike if their colleagues were sent down. It sounds bad to the observer, it did to me when i first heard about it. The police have a duty to protect us. Exactly.
Officers who risk their lives to protect the public, getting criticised for doing their jobs. When they are forced to shoot someone, the bosses wash their hands of them, fearing for their own careers, and officers are used as a scapegoat. Would YOU do this job if you knew this would happen to you? Risk you life, and if you end up actually carrying out your orders, well, you go to jail.
Sorry if i seemed to rant a little, but it is a subject that is close to my heart. I am saddened as much as anyone to hear of people being killed by police accidentaly, i really am. I offer my sincere condolences. But its easy for people to point the finger at the police without knowing their side of the story, and often people do.
jbritchfordFunniest piece of satire i’ve seen for years, i hope the ABC show the new series here
Excuse me, but satire? If you want to be more accurate, try tripe/rubbish/a blotch on the commedy landscape.
jbritchfordFunniest piece of satire i’ve seen for years, i hope the ABC show the new series here
Excuse me, but satire? If you want to be more accurate, try tripe/rubbish/a blotch on the commedy landscape.
jbritchfordSea kings
The Royal Navy has had a AEW version of the sea king helicopter for many years, tasked with AEW for the carrier groups. Here are some images.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/seaking/images/seaking2.jpg
jbritchfordHave fun in your new home!! 😀
jbritchfordHave fun in your new home!! 😀
jbritchfordOne word: money. Plaques are expensive, but I agree, its no excuse. Why not try fundraising for a new plaque for your parish church, get donations from local businesses etc?
jbritchfordOne word: money. Plaques are expensive, but I agree, its no excuse. Why not try fundraising for a new plaque for your parish church, get donations from local businesses etc?
jbritchfordThanks, I’ll look into that idea.
jbritchfordCould be done if the money were avaliable. The soviets cloned the B-29 back in the 1940s, without any computer help. Anyone got a spare £10million they can lend us to get a TSR-2 back in the air? 😀
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