The problem is that people ARE told they cannot be a member if their beliefs etc conflict with the group’s.

My problem is not that this is taking place per say, but that the church on one hand wished the protection of discriminatory laws but does not wish to abide by them.

Personally i believe that many of these equal rights legislations can be done without. Private groups have a right to decide their membership and individuals and firms may choose those who they wish to provide with their goods or services. If there are bigoted firms or individuals, then public pressure should change their attitudes, if people are truly against racism/sexism etc then it should not have to be forced on them by legislation, the public must make it known openly that it is not approved of and it is in nobody’s best interest.

That’s what it boils down to. If a Christian group wants to refuse entry to gay people or any other group of people, then fine. But they should then expect that if someone wishes then they may discriminate against Christians on the basis of their faith. It has to be one rule for everyone.

I had to have my photo taken by security, for a job I had to do. My boss who was with me, had his photo taken no problem at all. When it was my turn to have a photo taken, I looked at the camera, and much to the amusement of the security staff, the camera stopped working. Needless to say, my boss found it all very amusing, saying I had broken the camera. Eventually the security personnel managed to get the camera working again, saying it was something to do with a memory problem. The question is, because I was in a bit of a slightly agitated state, while having my photo taken, did I cause the camera or p.c. to malfunction. I wont say where it was, that I had the job to do, but it was a very important place.
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Sorry, Rosco, I don’t really see what is so strange, a camera failing isn’t a special event, it could happen anytime.

But I’m glad to see the thread back, it was a fave of mine 😉

I’d go with the suggestion ‘Atlas’

Its always upsetting to lose a pet, but i think you made the right decision for Mooch, keeping an animal alive only to have it suffer to put off one’s own grief is never an answer.

I think the idea to get a new cat from a shelter is excellent, you can make a real difference to an animal’s life, give them a new loving and caring home.

Wishing you all the best.

I had never heard of the orders in council before, thanks for brining them to my attention. 🙂

I realize that the govt. of the UK is a long way from perfect, but at least they don’t ‘disappear’ anyone that speaks out against them. Chavez is not a man to be trusted with any measure of power.

I didn’t mean to suggest that military action should be taken, i apologize if my first post seemed a little war mongering. All i meant to say is that there needs to be some decent workable system for nations to show their disapproval of others and back it up with peaceful action.

Then again, the UK is quite happy to deal with Saudi, as you say. I wish there was another way, but i believe the UK should if at all possible avoid dealings with nations that follow actively un-democratic, oppressive governments and those that have notable human rights abuses. We can buy our cuddly toys and tv’s from nations other than china, and we should do so. As should the EU and the USA, but all that matters in the modern world is $$$$$$$ 🙁

Your numbers are all screwed up. Look at the 2004 Presidential Election. 122 million votes were cast. That’s about 55% of eligible voters. So that leaves around 110 million other voters. We have a population of over 300 million, so there’s another 70 million or so who aren’t registered voters. Now, of the 122 million, Bush got like 62 million votes. So, 62 million is roughly 20% or so of 300 million. So about 20% of the population should truly irritate you. That leaves a nation that has an 80% chance of not making you iritated. And after looking up the numbers, I completely forgot where I was going with that.

That 70 million unregistered are those underage, in prison of in the US illegally.

carphone warehouse canceled their sponsorship as of today, power to the people!:D