The Botswana Defense Force (BDF) commander this week confirmed for the first time that the country is negotiating a small order of Saab Gripen C/D fighters. Swedish defense marketing agency FMV said last month that the deal involves approximately eight aircraft.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-06-17/botswana-confirms-saab-gripen-negotiations
In their recent competition Bulgaria ranked Gripen C first, with a score of 0.9; Typhoon tranche 1 was ranked second, 0.61 points.
Portugal’s offer – with a US logistics package – was not classified “because of its price proposal mismatch with RFP requirements.”
https://twitter.com/Saab/status/877927465267712002
Second flight yesterday — that was quicker than what I expected!
Earlier this month, the US Navy signed an agreement to upgrade the service’s Super Hornet fleet to the Block 3 configuration. The potential configuration could include conformal fuel tanks, infrared search and track (IRST21), a centreline pod with an infrared telescope, and advanced cockpit, Boeing says.
The proposed configuration could be introduced in the early 2020s and built on the same line as the legacy Super Hornet – much like E, F and G models, FlightGlobal has previously reported.
“The timing of where we believe the development would match where the Finnish Hornets would be in the production line put it clearly in the Block 3,” Boeing Defense, Space & Security vice-president of global sales Gene Cunningham said at the show this week.
Regarding F4: So the RBE2 AESA radar will switch to GaN?
Overall the F4 looks very potent, in particular with the new weapons. The new directional datalink also sounds very interesting.
The F4 will get very good SA. Anything on improved sensor fusion? It is important in order to fully exploit the data generated by the improved sensors.
The Typhoon and SH are going to struggle to match the capabilities of the F4 Rafale… could this have an impact on the outcome of some competitions, in e.g. India?
The Swedish Air Force is plowing SEK2 billion (U.S.$230 million) into new equipment to allow it to resume Cold War–style operations from road runways.
The money is being invested in equipment for snow clearance and rapid runway repairs, Maj. Gen. Mats Helgesson, chief of the Swedish Air Force, told journalists in Paris on June 18.Sweden has famously deployed its jets onto highways and general aviation airfields since the early years of the Cold War to increase their chances of surviving an expected Soviet attack. The dispersed basing systems such as the Ba90 actually shaped the requirements of Swedish fighters, in particular the Viggen and more recently the Gripen.
However, the skill of operating from roads has faded since the end of the Cold War, and Sweden’s focus on more international operations meant the need for the practice has gone away. However, the resurgence of a more belligerent Russia, military activity in the Baltic and a renewed Swedish focus on national defense has prompted the air force to return to the regimen.Helgesson said the air force was “very heavily investing in this [capability] right now,” as it faced unfriendly neighbors, in reference to Russia.
http://aviationweek.com/paris-air-show-2017/sweden-increases-spending-dispersed-operations
Since we are talking about road bases…
There is nothing about the Gripen E/F that makes it more conducive to dispersed basing.
On this particular statement I am not so sure — Gripen was designed specifically for being operated from primitive road bases with very limited personnel. Perhaps the F-35 is designed in a similar manner; I do not know?
As I said; Belgium and Canada are far fetched. Not impossible, but far fetched. As with all large international fighter competitions, it would be a huge defeat not to participate. Even if there is a slight chance, it’s a chance worth taking.
Well, and Loke could also participate in the Olympics — who knows, perhaps all the others would become ill (stomach pain or something) and Loke would win?
I must admit I am realistic about my chances of winning the Olympics, and this is why I never bothered to try to attend that event….
Boeing did the rational thing in Belgium, IMHO: They looked at the Belgium document and concluded that this was for the F-35 to win, and pulled out. Just like Loke decided that the chances of winning the Olympics are rather slim, Boeing concluded the same in Belgium.
Gripen has on additional challenge compared to the SH in that it is much smaller and lighter, making it even more challenging to execute those missions with a 4-ship only.
I would say there is some risk involved in a p
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Wellerocks I suggest you look at the appendix to the Belgium RFI that describes various missions. Think about how realistic it is that a 4-ship of Gripen will succeed in completing all those missions. Keep in mind the Gripens will need targeting pods and drop tanks, most likely not needed on the F-35.
Gripen E will be a fantastic fighter, I am sure. However one should be realistic and accept that it is a) a light-weight fighter, and b) it is a 4.5 gen not 5. gen fighter.
The F-35 is in a different league alltogether, there have been so many statements from pilots having flown the F-35 that one should basically just accept this. The F-35 is a quantum leap in capabilities.
Of course the great capabilities of F-35 will not reduce the capabilities of the Gripen E, which will also be very capable. However if you start comparing the two and look at the most demanding missions you will realize that you need much more Gripen than F-35 for the most demanding missions; and you may also have a bigger need for e.g., stand-off weapons; tankers; and perhaps even AEW systems like GlobalEye to get an SA more comparable to what the F-35 can offer.
There has been a lot of talk about combining the Gripen with a stealthy UCAV; this could perhaps also be a way forward.
Gunn told reporters at a briefing here that he had gone up against a friend in an F-16 a few months ago. Though the F-35 “performed very well,” he made clear that it hadn’t been dominant. They flew again recently and the F-16 pilot was amazed by the improvement in the F-35’s performance. “What have they done to your jet?” the pilot said, according to Gunn. “The difference is we have learned how to fly the jet… and better understand where its advantages are.”
Gunn went on to say that he “either never got it within visual range, or, if I’m going to be inside visual range, then it’s because I’m going to choose to be there.” That seems to make clear the aircraft’s vaunted fusion engine and advanced sensors — all tied into the pilot’s helmet — provides the pilot with enough warning and data to allow him to decide the terms of combat.
Well I think we have had some kind of breakthrough recently… even MSphere has gone silent?
Looking forward to it; thanks H!
Longer ranges sensors? How do you know that? And in what the Gripen solution would be less “comprehensive” than F-35. There may also be a huge gap in CFPH.
Well, the F-35 radar has definitely much longer range — also the DAS system give unique SA to the pilot. However it is really the combination of stealth, sensors and sensor fusion which is key.
Gripen no doubt has great sensors and sensor fusion however it lacks stealth, and the sensors are not as good. There was big gap in sensor capabilities in the Norwegian competition between Gripen and F-35, perhaps this has changed since then but I would think the F-35 sensors are still ahead. One should also keep in mind F-35 will develop and improve it’s sensors to a very great extent, the US will not allow the F-35 sensor to be “behind”. And again don’t forget about the stealth….
Look at how SH and Typhoon fared compared to the F-35 in the Danish competition — those graphs are around the net. For the most demanding missions there is a significant difference. Looking at the scenarios in the Belgium competition (which seems to be specially designed to “favor” the F-35) I think this will become even more clear. A 4-ship of F-35 will manage to execute missions that a 4-ship of Gripen will not succeed to execute. Perhaps the Rafale F4 will get closer, but I suspect even the Rafale F4 will struggle; and moreover the Rafale F4 will be more expensive… why pay more to get less?
Agreee. i just mention the numbers given to me by SAAB. Btw, Swaf chief of staff said after ACEX that Gripen C with MS20 software (enhancing radar performance) with METEOR is maybe the best plane in the world atm.
Gripen C w. Meteor is extremely dangerous in a2a however I think F-22 and F-35 are even more so…
Against 4. gen a/c all three will probably have roughly the same scores (99-1 or something like that).
However once Rafale and Typhoon obtain Meteor they will probably become as lethal as the Gripen.
And one difference between Gripen C w. Meteor and F-22/F-35 is that the latter will probably score equally well against PAK FA and J-20 — I am less certain about the Gripen C in those scenarios.
Finally one should not forget that a2a is much less important these days than a2g…