They already have permission to erect another T2 hangar on the site, and there is quite a bit more room than you may think. A Vulcan would add to an already enviable collection of cold war jets that Elvington has.

There is no basis in fact that people who are appreciative of aircraft and have probably dipped into their pockets to give ten million plus for the Vulcan would not spend on similar projects if the opportunity presented itself !

I would give money hand over fist to see certain WW2 aircraft fly in the UK.

To give traffic problems as a example of immigration problems rather undermines your position I think.

I quite clearly said I’m not blaming immigration. I’m blaming our country being overcrowded, and the only method we have of slowing the unsustainable increases in population is to put the brakes on immigration. Unless you have another suggestion? (As I have made clear, I will not accept building ANYTHING on the green belt as a suitable answer)

Why if the EU is the root cause of all the ill’s in British society as another post would (almost) have it do all the other EU countries seemingly suffer so little in comparison?

It is the root cause of some of our problems, not all of them. And a visit to Paris or Berlin will show you that they are suffering from the side effects of mass immigration. When I was in Paris 10 years ago there were large tented migrant camps in the city center, I can’t imagine that situation has improved. And just look at the state of poor Calais. 🙁

Everyone is so preoccupied with human rights, what happened to our responsibilities? Making sure that future generations of Britons don’t live in an overcrowded mess. ensuring they still had some countryside left? Not leaving the nation as a polluted bog.

And pollution will always be relative to population size, no matter how green we become.

How exactly does the reality differ from the perception?

Why are there warning signs of undercover police operating on the London underground in Romanian? Why do areas like Chapeltown in Leeds, Tower Hamlets etc resemble Kabul? Or go to Boston highstreet and not hear a single word of English being spoken? Have you been to a Police station, Hospital etc recently? How much are we spending on translation services?

Some immigration has been a huge success, and the immigrants have integrated well. But the reality is that in many areas, it has been a total failure. Instead of integrating, separate communities have formed. And the governments have encouraged this failure by allowing people to move here without even a basic grasp of English, and with no plan on making these new arrivals part of a community.

I agree, there is a lot of hysteria around this subject, from both sides. To have the blinkered view that all immigration is good is just as bad as thinking it is all bad.

As I have already explained, I have no issue with people coming here from other countries. I am not racist. I clearly explained that it is an issue of numbers, which I fully acknowledge is not the fault of immigrants. We are already overcrowded, and we need the ability to control immigration at sustainable levels. We can not stop people from having children, so controlling the influx of foreign nationals is the only way to achieve this.

I’ll reiterate, it is not the fault of immigrants. It is the fault of the EU, and the fault of successive governments for allowing this unplanned, unmonitored and uncontrolled sham to go on for far too long. There is also the separate issue of integration, which has worked well in some areas and utterly failed in others, but that is a different subject for another thread.

You want to try spending some time here if you think these points are trivial, traffic problems here are terrible now. It took me 3 hours to drive through London the other week. 20 miles. It then took me 3 hours to drive the further 200 miles home! Even in a small city like York, the dual carriageway/ring road traffic gets so bad that it can regularly take over an hour to travel 2 miles.

You obviously care nothing for the environment, or the UK, so your opinion is invalid.

Well yea whatever, if it is technical definitions you are worried about you win…

You haven’t addressed the point about being able to demonstrate that said immigration actually has a negative impact, which I would contend is rather more important than technical points scoring with regard to the meaning of English.

No proof no point.

Immigration in of itself has mixed results. The issue is the size of the population of the UK, and the sustainability of continuing to increase the size of the population in line with current trends. Public services already severely overstretched, overcrowded roads (dangerously so in some cases) etc etc.

We cannot cope, and while we are enjoying a much better financial recovery than any other EU member, we will continue to attract a mass of unskilled Labor, who pay little in tax and use our public services, while the number of unemployed in Britain is FAR too high.

I am all for redeveloping urban and industrial areas to make up the housing shortage, but I would rather halt all immigration than build even a single additional house on Britains green belt.