Clearly, you have an attention deficit disorder, & are hard of thinking, as well as being inclined to bad-mouthing random strangers & blaming victims for the mishaps which have befallen them.
To repeat: nobody in Santander & Bilbao (those you called ‘lazy’, & ‘waiting to be rescued’) has been ‘sitting around in a foreign city waiting for help to arrive’, or can be counted among those ‘who sit and whinge and expect help to be handed to them on a plate’. They have travelled to get there, many from Asia, Africa, or the Americas. They wouldn’t be in Santander if they’d sat around waiting to be rescued. They’ve taken the initiative, & got themselves to a ferry port.
But still, you abuse them. 😡
I think you are twisting what he said, the people you mention have/are trying/tried to help themselves. Those that have stay put/not doing anything are the “whingers”.
Let’s leave Brown out of it – for now. There must be some knowledgable members here who can shed some light on the increasingly anomalous situation. There have now been a great many aircraft flying in France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgium, Germany at every flight level and no emergencies as far as we know. So, something just does not add up. Is some authority somewhere really putting thousands of travellers at risk? No, of course they are not.
I am with Andy on this one, it should be upto the airline/flight ops/crew for the safe operation of flights. NATS are there as an ATC Service provider, that is what they should be providing.
I fail to see why taking the initiative need be any more expensive than sitting around in a foreign city waiting for help to arrive.
Surely it will cost just as much finding accomodation and foodwhere you are stranded, than making your way by land to Britain.
A question: What is the difference between flying through ash – as it is over the UK and europe – and flying through a sand storm taking-off from somewhere like Dubai?
Anyone?
That is a posh way of doing it, and relatively safe.
Statement on Icelandic volcanic eruption: Monday April 19, 1530
The volcanic eruption has reduced and the volcano is not currently emitting ash to altitudes that will affect the UK. Assuming there are no further significant ash emissions we are now looking at a continuously improving situation.
Based on the latest information from the Met Office, NATS advises that the restrictions currently in place across UK controlled airspace will remain in place until 0700 (local time) tomorrow, Tuesday.
From 0700 (local time) tomorrow, Tuesday, Scottish airspace will be open, and south to a line between Teeside and Blackpool. Mainland Scottish airports will be open.
This is a dynamic and changing situation and is therefore difficult to forecast beyond 0700 local; however, the latest Met Office advice is that the contaminated area will continue to move south with the possibility that restrictions to airspace above England and Wales, including the London area, may be lifted later tomorrow (Tuesday).
We will continue to monitor Met Office information and review our arrangements in line with that. We will advise further arrangements at approximately 2100 (local time), today.
It is now for airports and airlines to decide how best to utilise this opportunity. Passengers should contact their airlines to find out how this will affect their travel plans.
Weather permitting they are held once a year during the Dutch Spotters Convention. During the convention I think normally they do five flights seating 4 passengers per run. A flight only costs 85 euro, so as you can imagine they sell out fast!
So if you want to do this, you’ll have to wait for next year. Another option would be to charter a flight with Kammair directly and hope they are able to arrange the necessary permits to overfly Schiphol center.
Out of interest, how much do you think Kammair would charge for that?
Can they bring back their old colour-scheme? Perhaps bring the B737’s back from bmiBaby, with the grey wings.
The change to bmi from British Midland could have been so much more, but it was not to be.
looking at the map it does not look like it will get any better < for airspace opening by am Tuesday:(
The latest chart from the MET lookings more promising: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271676889.png
Fantastics shots of a very interesting aircraft!
Threespool –My reasoning is that the particle size and density are the biggest factors, and it is easy to assume that the further from the source you are the smalller those two factors are.
But is that necessarily the case? Do we know that the particle size diminishes the further it is blown from its source?
Frankly, yes. Else you would have sizable chunks landing on your car many hundreds/thousands of miles from the Iceland. No, it is just a fine film of light dust.
Granted
But, was the BA flight in the ash affected area for more than an hour? Is this a good test bed for “sustained” periods of flying within the affected area? For instance, we fly from Exeter to Edinburgh, 1hr 10mis airborne, this would be completely inside the affected area. This is slightly different than BA conducting a test to see if they can fly across the atlantic or not, and maybe shouldn’t be used as a benchmark for other airlines operating solely within the affected areas.
I totally understand your viewpoint, and it may be that a turboprop would be more susceptible to damage by design.
I’d imagine the Q400 could quickly get through the affected areas and above FL200.
There are a number of factors that need to be considered, and I am not the one to be making these decisions.
However, my opinion is that flights within europe would be safe. My reasoning is that the particle size and density are the biggest factors, and it is easy to assume that the further from the source you are the smalller those two factors are.
Let’s not forget the BA “test flight” flew West over the Atlantic, hardly into the heart of the problem.
The BA flight still flew through an area shown on the charts as having ash, upto FL200. The KLM flight flew to an area with ash upto FL350, and they continued upto FL410 with no ill effect.
These test flights are not conclusive, but the mere fact that the aircraft have flown, returned safely and with nil defects says something.
Any data collected – by scientific aircraft – is going to be useful for determining if the computer model is reliable, and useless for anything else.
Just need a Flight Engineer for your crew – Capt. Bmused, FO PMN….:D
Head to Africa and you can take one with just one man, apparantly…
Cheers,Those who do not wish to read my threads don,t have to ,,eh:D
Whilst it is certainly interesting, perhaps to keep the moderators happy you could just keep adding updates to one thread? 🙂